This is true but that wasn't the point either of us were making. That's not the point he was making. He compared the referendum to a GE and I merely pointed out the distinction. In a GE you have a rough idea of what you're voting for, but in the referendum nobody really knew what leave looked like. And please don't tell me that everybody voted for a hard Brexit because it's simply not true.
As you rightly pointed out Rob, no one knew what leave looked like , the vote wasn’t about specifics it was about a principle, people aren’t stupid they realised that.
That's absolutely fair enough mate. But if they realised that then they must surely realise that a No Deal Brexit is physically impossible until the Irish border issue is solved. And not a single person has found a solution for that yet on either side.
Corbyn’s refusal to play a part in shaping the ‘Plan B’ is interesting and rather petulant in my opinion. Of course May isn’t going to rule out a ‘No Deal’ - neither would anyone trying to negotiate. At least the other parties are talking to her - even wee Jimmy’s, so if it comes to the crunch he will be outvoted.
I realise the Irish border has to be resolved , but if there is no deal then what? . The problem doesn’t go away, it will still have to solved. A large part of Ireland’s exports are to the UK , not the EU . So deal or no deal the Irish border issue has to be resolved.
John, The question was what do you think will happen not can you give us an essay on your personal opinion of politics. Have another go mate and this time - what do you think will happen?
I misread your post Rob , of course a no deal brexit is possible without the border issue being resolved. At present if nothing else is agreed in the meantime we exit the EU at the end of March . I realise this is unlikely as many MP’s are dead set against it , but in theory it’s possible, in fact legally at present it’s the default position if no deal is struck in the meantime , that was my point .
The general election had in its manifestos of is two leading parties a vow to uphold the result of the referendum and its binary choice … It was leave.
I've got to say this leaflet was delivered to every household in the UK from Cameron explaining the facts, we read it, understood it, paid for it and voted out. https://assets.publishing.service.g...ean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf
No one knows what will happen next and that's what's spooking the financial and business markets and driving prophesies of medical and food supply issues along with transport and travel chaos. Apparently we might also see a return to the days of sectarianism in Ireland. Will any of these actually come to pass? I don't know. What do I think will happen next? I don't know either, but it seems that this whole topic has become an incendiary hot potato. Can you please 52% of the voters and ignore 48% without electoral and social ramifications? Almost definitely not. Given the certainty that there is going to be a severe backlash (what ever the outcome) I think that politicians will prefer to place the final decision back in the hands of the public and thus provide themselves with a new get out of jail card that offers someone else to blame for any disillusionment.
R e a l L y there are a few that don't know the simple basics of politics …. and the future reprocussions / repercussions that can unfurl as a result of their not being able to understand, and thus making a decision upon what they think they take it to be and not what it is … QT tonight had some classic examples … one was based on [ and it has been mentioned on here] what was the question?
Thanks for that John I now fully understand your views on what will happen next........................not
Just because it's legally what we're supposed to do, that doesn't make it possible. We all know a hard border in Ireland is not going to work. So how do we do a no deal Brexit, keeping the Irish border open, while stopping European people freely entering our country and while ensuring tariffs are correctly applied? It's impossible. Guys, this isn't my agenda or anything. You're either accidentally or intentionally missing my point. All I'm saying is that in a GE the parties make it clear what they are planning to do. In the referendum, leave did not do this, because it was not possible. Some were saying a hard Brexit, some were saying we would stay in the EU customs union, no one really knew. I was on the leave side and I didn't know. I'm not saying it's wrong to vote leave, I'm genuinely not saying this from my own Brexit opinion. But oneforthebristolcity said that it was the same decision as in a General Election and I'm just pointing out how it is quite a bit different. Cliftonville you mention the manifestos but we're not talking about any particular General Election whatsoever. It's irrelevant to our discussion. My own views are not part of that comment.
There are lots of things that would need sorting out if a no deal Brexit happened the Irish border being one, however that won’t stop it happening if nothing else is agreed , or if legislation to stop it isn’t put in place , because at present it’s set in Law.
Absolutely but I highly doubt the others are blockers, just inconveniences. The Irish border issue is a complete and utter blocker. And nobody has an answer for it I'm afraid.
There is an easy answer Rob, a hard border, that’s the dilemma, no one wants it, There are others equally important, but its irrelevant , it will happen if nothing is agreed , or legislation is put in place to stop it . That was my point , if we leave without a deal we will need to sort something out or there will be a hard border , Eire knows that too. Therefore why not sort it out before and therefore prevent a no deal Brexit. The EU at the moment are gambling that we will at all costs want to avoid no deal to force us to accept their version of brexit , which includes no hard border, there is no need for the backstop because neither side want a hard border. I believe the present deal will get through , and I watched all the speeches in parliament before the vote, if the backstop to be removed. Speaker after speaker made this point. The problem with the Irish border has to be resolved either way , deal or no deal, so why not resolve with a deal because ultimately a deal is better both for the EU and the Uk
