I'm not splitting hairs or being pedantic in the slightest. He doesn't work for a company involved in arms dealing in the slightest. He works for an investment bank that invests in a legitimate defence firm, amongst others. Corbyn on the other hand has been reported to have said that he was 'friend' of organisations which are considered to be terrorist organisations by a large number of the world's governments. Being a 'friend' of those organisations does not necessarily make him a terrorist sympathiser in the same way that working for an investment bank with links to defence firms makes May an arms dealer. It is not an equal judgment to criticise the 'right-wing' media's assessment of Corbyn and to then leap to similarly exaggerated conclusions regarding Philip May.
Still doing an appalling job - doubt if they really know. Both sides accused of lying last time -- how can we know if anyones telling the truth now. In last couple of days I've heard a) anyone relying on goods coming over channel are doomed , and b) civil service, port authorities, customs and excise, have worked hard this last year to prepare and there'll be no problem. So who's lying, or do neither have accurate reliable info. Then there's a) there'll be no jobs, and b) but businesses will close because of lack of staff if european workers leave. Etc etc How we could possibly make a decision based on what we get told if there was another vote is beyond me.
wrong i did, out mean't out to me ,WTO rules and **** the E.U. When we leave i'll give it 3 months before Europe comes cap in hand for a deal, we import two thirds from Europe to every one 3rd we export, fact is they need us more than we need them.
cant change the law of the vote, out is out. they dare not reject the vote, WTO rules will apply 90% of the rest of the world get on fine with them 4 of the richest countries in the world use it
But it's not illegal to manufacture weapons. We used to do quite a lot of this in the North East. We still do if you assume that some of the Rolls Royce Engine parts made locally end up in RAF Planes. As a country UK works rather hard to flog it armaments World Wide. It provides a vast number of jobs and of course it's a profitable business. Would we really sleep more soundly without our Armed Services being there? The moral side of it, that you find so disgusting, is another thing and there can be no honest defense for the trade. But it's pointless trying to un-invent the wheel. Arms exist. Always have done. And taking the Aeroplane example you couldn't ban them because as well as their use for slaughtering people many have other beneficial uses too. (Helicopters are very multi purpose in this respect). So while any sane person would agree with you (in my opinion), that isn't enough. Raging at the wall doesn't achieve anything and trying to come up with a solution has been one of mankind's biggest failures. So I can't find any logic in blaming the people who earn their living by manufacturing Arms, whether it's a bloke on the lathes at Rolls Royce or some Merchant Banker married to a politician. But there's a Nobel Prize waiting for ANYONE who can sole the problem. (It won't be me. I just get exasperated).
But the salient point in all of this is the lack of balance in the depictions of the two individuals in question. Apparently the 'right-wing' media have anyone who regards Jeremy Corbyn's former associations with terrorist organisations as questionable 'hook, line and sinker' but it's acceptable to take the equally biased line regarding Philip May's (arguably more tenuous) association with Lockheed Martin carried by left wing media outlets without question. There has to be balance in any debate.
Fully aware that 'out is out' but should we have voted in the first place being so uninformed about the out vote as it is. People are happy we're heading out for reasons connected to the EU which I get, but we still have no clue what the alternative is.
Are you implying me and other like minded people who voted leave are clueless ? Adopting WTO rules while arranging new and better trade deals with our Commonwealth friends and the EU whilst not being dictated to by un-elected, self serving, Brussel Bureaucrats, and paying over the odds for the pleasure is what I voted for. Britain pre EU, welcomed many people from India, The Caribbean , Uganda, Vietnam, all this closed border clap trap makes me laugh, we'll just be managing the number of people who come to our shores. I'd suggest people like you are mis-informed and believe all the BBC Propoganda. We are not and have never been a nation of racist/zenophobics. We voted to leave....get over it.
Not at all. If you actually read what I said I understand why people would be anti-EU. I've also never once said that we're a nation of racists or xenophobes. My point is that we had a vote, without knowing what the out vote entailed apart from just leaving the EU. Whether it's hard/soft, deal/no deal without even mentioning any trade agreements etc. we still don't know, it's a fact. I also said further up that had we known what the out vote entailed I may have voted out too but fact is we didn't so I couldn't vote for the relative unknown.
The irony in the no confidence vote is the brexit deal was just the straw the broke the camel's back given the mess the Tories have this country in, but does anybody have any confidence in any party at this point in time? Cause I Bloody don't. Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
Of course nobody that voted for leave would know exactly how it would play out. Nobody has ever left the EU, we are the first country so there's no form to follow. i expected us to leave the customs union, single market and not have the ECJ ruling over us. Since the leave vote happened this has all been about appeasing the remainers and keeping both sides happy. The leave vote won, there's no reason to keep the remainers happy. They lost, deal with it. If another vote happens, democracy is dead. Don't get me started on the ex-pats. Choosing to work and live abroad then crying about not getting a vote about what happens with the future of this country. Me and my family are the ones living here, ex-pats should not get to decide our future. If they care about the country so much, move back. Just days after the IRA put a bomb under my mates dads car in Enniskillen, JC, was out having some lunch and a laugh with Adams and McGuiness. Our soldier hadn't even been buried and that vile piece of **** was out with his mates in the name of 'peace'
That old joke, where you ask someone for directions to the cinema or sports ground, and they say "If you want to get there, I wouldn't start from here" That's where we are now, in that joke. Cameron asked the wrong question, made following the result "mandatory" even though that is illegal (under UK law national referendums can ONLY be advisory to the government), and then the following "team of aces" compounded all the problems buy not planning for the worst case (leaving as an external entity working under WTO rules only, "No Deal") and ended up getting a deal which may in fact be the best possible, but does not match many peoples ideas and concepts. The referendum question should have been along the lines "We will plan to leave the EU unless we can establish better conditions as follows..." with some actual aims and goals (you know, what leaders and experts a supposed to do). That would probably have got a 70-80% backing and given a strong position to improve things or make a long-term plan to exit. As it is, even with a "remain" vote, the UK was dumped into a poorer negotiating position, stuck with remaining in all cases. As much as it may cause some anguish for those who want a fast exit, the only practical way to proceed is to stop the current process, think it through and establish a new time-line and plan. The UK should not consider a "No Deal" exit in March, the chaos and interruption to daily life would be too great. Just as an example, the customs guys at Dover (and Calais) don't have the new forms needed to process export/import even if they knew what the rules are (WTO rules are really just guidelines not a detailed set of steps). And they can't just keep on going "as is" for now (without a formal agreement), that would be illegal under those WTO rules! And I don't know if I will be able to get back to visit family; airline routes in Europe are managed under EU rues, and there is no established way to do UK-as-a-non-EU state to EU route licensing. I am sure there will be a solution, but no idea when, what routes and what it may do to costs. Going back to pre 1970's setups, deals with "Commonwealth friends" etc., is a no-go. They are all now in their own international trade organisations and it will take a long time to establish any sort of useful relationship. One of the reasons for entering the EC back in 1973 is tat those old relationships were already breaking down and did not have enough scope for economic growth. Let's see how they get out of all this...
I don't back any of them to get the people the best possible solution. It's a ****ing mess, no doubt about it.
I am still a UK citizen, and also have family resident in the UK. I exercised my rights to live and work in the EU, rights granted under law. I have had those rights removed, without even the courtesy of being asked. I don't need to move back to have a massive interest in the well-being of the UK. If I use your logic, why the hell should I care about you and your living conditions, just so you can change my rights and life? BTW, I don't use that logic.
Corbyn was not the only one talking to the IRA, the Torys even at the height of the troubles were doing just this. and eventually it was after all talking that stopped the violence.
But the Conservative party formed the elected government at this time so it's understandable that they were talking to the IRA/Sinn Fein in order to try and resolve the situation in Northern Ireland. Corbyn was acting as a lone-wolf in his dealings with these groups and it's recorded that he courted controversy by inviting convicted members of the IRA to Westminster. This, along with his alleged interests in groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, are why he was considered to be one of the 'loony left', a parliamentary loose cannon, for much of his career until he was put forward, pretty much as a joke/protest nomination, to be party leader. Talking did help with the peace process but its inaccurate to state that Corbyn was part of the Good Friday agreement. He has never claimed to have done and this myth has been propagated by pro-Corbyn journalists/media outlets. All he did was vote for it- along with the majority of MPs at the time.
