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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    When did 'business' say that?
     
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  2. surreyhoop

    surreyhoop Well-Known Member

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    We might as well call on the World cup octopus to select the solution from a random bag of options...

    Its one unholy mess thats for sure...
     
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  3. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    If it’s a Democratic Party, and in a recent poll (this year) 88% of party members said they would vote remain in a second referendum, why would he not campaign simply on remain, and use the election as a kind of referendum, rather than putting us all through this **** twice?

    I really don’t think I can find someone to vote for next time round, but if a party with a chance of forming the government campaigned on remain, or a Norway deal (which is worse than remain), or staying in the Customs Union (which is worse than a Norway deal), I’d have to ponder putting an x next to their candidate, no matter how much I thought the rest of their programme was undeliverable hogwash.

    I heard Charles Moore, Thatcher’s biographer, on the radio the other day, saying that Brexit was all about getting back to the state of affairs in 1533 after the Restraint of Appeals Act, which prevented English people (ok, landed Englishmen) turning to the Pope in legal matters. Moore seemed to think this was all about an assertion of sovereignty rather than a king getting a divorce and grabbing church property. He seemed to think that the EU operates like the Catholic Church in Medieval Europe. He then failed to grasp the difference between legal sovereignty and practical sovereignty. Just bizarre.
     
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  4. ELLERS

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    Because Corbyn is. Not a credible leader.
     
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  5. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Democratic? <laugh>
    Look what happened to the the last lot that went against him?
    Labour Mps don't want an election. Over 100 of them in leave constituencies. Think about.
     
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    Stroller I posted this some time ago on here and countless times it has been mentioned on radio and TV. Google it.
     
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  7. Stroller

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    I did and got nothing.
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    I'm on a train so you will have to wait.
     
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  9. GoldhawkRoad

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    Mmm, well, there are conflicting polls. Now there's a surprise
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    Okay back on train! Stroller you can deny as much as you want but I have heard it many times in the past. I can remember once was on LBC and the presenter discussing Brexit said he spoke to many business leaders who said they all fear Corbyn and would rather have a no deal. It makes sense when you think about it.
     
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    Latest l heard tonight was either Sky or BBC ( I can't remember now) said the Tories were 6 points in lead
     
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  15. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Moment to bring down government 'may have passed'
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    The SNP's Mhairi Black says she doesn't understand Jeremy Corbyn's logic in not calling the motion of no confidence in the government last month.
    She adds that the moment to bring down the government may have passed.
    She says that after the Brexit withdrawal agreement failed to pass, "all that happened is that [the PM] wasted a month" between December and January.
     
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    Wouldn't talk about confusing Brexit policies if I were you. What is the government's position? Watching the news at lunchtime I was struck by the fact that within an hour of the result last night 4 or 5 EU and national leaders were interviewed as well as Barnier. They all spoke consistently even Varadker. I don't doubt that they must have discussed it beforehand but you could not have driven any wedge between them. We on the other hand have 57 different varieties of advice about Brexit and analyses of what the people really decided. And that's just in the Conservative party.
     
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    One thing's for certain, a Corbyn win at a general election is not nailed on
     
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  19. GoldhawkRoad

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    This is all true. But it's easy for the EU at the moment, because they still hope that Brexit will fail. If a no deal looks likely, panic will set in. I'll give you an example. Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister was caught on mic recently admitting to a colleague that in a no deal, they will HAVE to set up a hard border, being part of the EU. But they can't admit to the Irish people that they will be the ones to put up this border.

    If they agreed an end date to the back stop this could be avoided
     
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    Sorry Goldie, does that mean you would accept May’s deal if the backstop had a limited duration? Surely whatever comes after has to have the same effect if a hard border in Ireland is to be avoided.

    I can’t get my head round the Irish border thing. There is no deal which doesn’t include staying in the Customs Union, or allowing NI to stay in the Customs Union which solves it as far as I can see.

    Perhaps we should just let the Northern Irish to have a referendum on it. They voted remain after all.
     
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