Isn't this why we need a General Election, or a peoples vote on any agreement decided between the UK and EU
Because the country is pretty much 50/50 ish to stay or leave, and that is also reflected by MP's in the commons....with that in mind how can ANY agreement be reached. The stakes are too high. The only solution in my humble opinion is a final vote based on the fact that the general public had no clue what leaving would actually mean. Not sure if the majority of the population are any wiser right now, but they are a lot more informed than a basic in or out like they were in 2016.
Well a general election won't solve the stalemate as we'll still be left with a party trying to get a deal that isn't suitable to everyone through parliament. The only way to break the deadlock is another referendum as far as I can see.
Politics: ONe group of lying bastards running the country One group of lying bastards as their main opposition Put them all in an expensive chamber which costs millions in public money to keep going and make them act like my kids do when they argue about what they want for dinner! I voted leave and stand by it - I voted as it was the best proposition (in my opinion) put forward at the time. Corbyn I think is a far better leader than May - but I would rather not have either of them running our country - that said, I have no idea who I would want running our country - maybe Simon Jordan (ex palace owner) as he normally speaks sense!!
Never have I felt so politically homeless, with both major parties utterly useless and no viable alternative on the horizon.. I gave up my membership of the Labour Party because of the direction the party has taken.. My political energies now are being channeled into environmental issues..
Exactly. I get the impression that labour voted down the opposition (to get an election) , as much as voting down the deal. I could see Tories ( even if they liked) any Labour deal, voting against just to spoil things.
I recall the £10 million pro eu propaganda pamphlet sent to every home in the uk to pressure people into voting to remain ... the majority of the people weren't conned then and definitely won't be now after we have seen the true nasty and self serving nature of the failing eurocracy. All the assurances of disaster if we voted to leave have not only been proven wrong but shown to be totally wrong .. the opposite has actually happened ... despite brexit. There is no such thing as a "no deal" as WTO is a signed sealed and effective trading arrangement for the world.. and the world is waiting to be able to talk to us unrestrained by the bureaucrats.
We certainly know now a lot more about the consequences of the last one, engineered by the Tories to solve their own internal squabbles, but I am not sure that a second one would solve anything tbh. having said that I'm as baffled as anyone.
Probnlem with another referendum is it would fuel the hate groups on both sides - you'll get the leavers (myself included) saying "We've already voted for this and got a majority, why should we do it again" and remainers saying "bed made, lie in it" (obviously metaphircally speaking
Oh yeah, I agree. I meant the parliamentary deadlock really. The truth of the matter is there's no easy way out of this. In hindsight, we should never had the bloody EU referendum in the first place!
IN responce to all the previous texts on this particular thread if you had to choose a record title that basically summed up exactly what British M P"s were in your eyes which one would you chose. My nomination is the 1972 hit by the American group The O' Jays the title being THE BACKSTABBERS. Whats your choice?.
And what was that then? As far as I was aware there was no proposition as they had no idea what would happen in the event of a leave vote.
It just sounded better at the time than staying - guessing the leavers had better sales pitches than the remainers
There was no proposition though, which is what I can't get my head around. There was a lot of hot air (thinking the NHS bus with the £ signs on it) however there was no plan. A lot of people voted out because they didn't like the EU and what they stand for etc. (which I understand). What I can't get my head around is the fact that they voted not knowing what they were voting for.
What did we vote for then? The fact that there was no plan was not the voters fault - it was the idiots who ran and now run the country. It was the cocky "we know remain will win so we will put nothing in place just in case it doesn't" Cameron was a dick - May was handed the ****tiest end of a ****ty stick undoubtedly (with a government that had no plan of action for if the vote goes the way they don't expect it to!) when she took over but she has just covered it with more **** and put it back out there. So many who voted remain seem to know that leaving is bad for the country and bad for everyone in it - how do they know? It's an unchartered territory we're going into
Thing is, no one knew what the effect of leaving would be but everyone knew what the effect of staying would be. Its a bit like turkeys voting to go for a ride in a lorry- could be to a home for retired turkeys or could be to someone's Christmas dinner table.
I never said it was their fault, I'm just saying that the fact is that not one person in the country knew what would happen in the even of leave. Not one. For what it's worth, I voted to stay because I knew what would happen (roughly speaking). If I had any idea of what would happen with a leave vote, I may have gone for that. I fully understand that in the long run once this is all sorted we may be better off, we also may not, this is the point I'm trying to get at, we simply didn't and still don't know what the leave vote entails.
Sorry Jack - just had some twitter ramblers having a go at leavers recently and they say we're "idiots or racists". Most think it's better the devli you know - I thought it was time for a change as the finances we were chucking at the EU (from my limited political knowledge) seemed astronomical for what we get from them. Might be that whatever happens next leaves us worse off - only time will tell. I also think that a number of "leavers" voted to leave simply based on a dislike for Cameron and his smug "OK we'll have a referendum, but when we vote to change nothing I'll sit here and say "I told you so"" attitude
No worries mate, good to have healthy debate without slanging matches. A lot of people voted with misguided intentions as you say. Borderline racist/xenophobic motives in terms of immigration and the likes for people who wanted to leave for example . I honestly believe that is because we were not in a good enough position to have the referendum in the first place and that is what's caused the majority of the problems here.
