Off Topic UK / EU Future

Have no fear cows have been spotted on some roundabouts in Milton Keynes, we should be alright.

 

Lovers of a hard Brexit should remember where Britain's food comes from. Britain does not have the vast expanses of the USA and imports a very high percentage of its foodstuffs - the origins of foodstuffs consumed in the UK. is as follows:
UK 54%
EU 27%
Africa 4%
Asia 4%
North America 4%
South America 4%
Rest of Europe 2%
Australasia 1%

So I should get on with planting veg in your garden SH. because you may need it after your so called 'Freedom Day'.

 

I'm sure the European producers will create such a fuss over any potential loss of business. They will demand the Macron boy does not play too many silly games. The unemployment rate in the Pas de Calais is extremely high, workers there cannot afford to lose any more jobs.

 

Parliament has the power to block a no-deal Brexit, foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt has admitted.

The cabinet minister said it was "very unrealistic" to believe that MPs would not find a way to thwart a disorderly exit from the European Union if they wanted to, after Theresa May suffered a string of Commons defeats this week.

In a dramatic intervention, Mr Hunt also warned that voting down Ms May's deal next week could actually prevent Brexit, saying it would bring in "Brexit paralysis" with the "possibility in sight" of the UK remaining in the EU.

 

Surely even you can see the postering by ministers to encourage backing for May's poor deal.

Anyway I'm off to Somerset for a long weekend, I'll see if I can spot a few more cows.

 

Don't forget to buy some long life vegetables while your down there. Turnips, parsnips and swedes will have a good shelf life.

 

You still don't understand how the EU works, do you?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46847169

Chris Grayling, on form again, basically calling Leave voters potential far right supporters and neo-nazis

 

This is more or less saying that we should bend our political future to suit a gang of right wing thugs. This is from the same people who so often tell us that we cannot be bowed by terrorists.

 

Yeah - the 2017 Tory election campaign made frequent reference to Corbyn's links with extremist religious fanatics. They then gave £1 billion to a bunch of extremist religious fanatics to keep them in power. These are the people in charge of our future...

 

Crispin Odey is a man who poured £ millions into the leave campaign, while at the same time betting that it would cause the pound to fall, and making a small fortune when it did. He is now betting on the pound rising when there is no Brexit, and along with others doing the same thing, expects to make even more money from it.
The register of interests that some of the offshore tax havens were to produce has been put back three years against the will of Parliament.
Why do people who just live their lives by working believe that these money grabbers are interested in what happens to them, and think that Brexit is something good for all to share in?

 

From UKPollingreport, which gathers together all opinion polls, the very latest (done on Thursday and Friday last week) from Survation shows Con 38% Lab 41% LDEM 10%.
Polling on other subjects by the same firm show the following:
29% think that MPs should support May's deal whereas 37% are for rejection (lots of don't knows here).
Support for a second referendum stands at 46% for and 28% against.
45% are in favour of reversing Brexit and staying in the EU as against 39% against (again lots of don't knows).
A Norway style deal is supported by 40% to 36% against.
Leaving without a deal is opposed by 45% to 35%.

Just getting these in before we hear any more mumbles about 'The Will of the People', or any other bogus polls 'discovered' by our resident Brexiteer

 

Er no, poor old Labour are still 6 points behind.

Labour falls SIX points behind the Tories despite May's Brexit chaos as Corbyn faces growing rebellion of MPs who will BACK May's deal as party split deepens

 

You will notice that when I produce such evidence that I have quoted not just the source, but als the firm doing the poll, and also the actual days on which the poll was taken. Together with other polls done by the same company which are also the most recent to be taken - or do you have evidence to the contrary ?

 

What I have just witnessed with the PM trying to say that things have changed with the letters sent by the EU, when nothing has changed, was quite embarrassing. Her front bench sat there looking glum, and as usual when put on the spot to answer truthfully, she simply avoided the question.
There is no way that Parliament will agree to leaving without an agreement, and with the deal on offer likely to be voted down, what is left? A fresh referendum, or a different deal, or cancel the whole thing. The first option which a few months ago was unlikely is now being called for every time the issue is debated. The second option would require the leaving date to be put back, something that the EU seem willing to do until the end of July, but after that there are problems with the EU Parliament. The final option would create problems for the Government as they have staked everything on getting a deal.
There is total deadlock in Westminster, and I cannot see the way out of it, although I have a preference. There is no political history that you can call on to show where it will all go next. The damage caused to both our political and social system cannot be measured, and all because of a long running dispute in one of our political parties.

 

It is an embarrassment trumped only by, well, doofus45 across the pond himself!

 

What i do not understand is that the Eu repeatedly say they will not renegotiate, something the PM is happy to repeat whenever she can. If this is so and Labour do go on to bring down the government then they would not be able to do what Corbyn keeps saying he will ie renegotiate when he is in power. So either Europe is lying to us and the PM is backing them or Corbyn really does not have a clue as to what can and can't be done and is trying to undermine this countries future for his parties gain. Either way it reflects so sadly on the political mess this country finds itself in caused largely by infighting and cross party arguing to the detriment of the British people.
If negotiations had not been made to be so public by way of continued open debating in parliment we also probably would have avoided getting "shafted" as much by Brussels who themselves can take partial responsibilty by seemingly trying to bully us at every step of the way. Unfortunately it is impossible to have a neutral third party mediate between the two sides and find an equally fair middle ground where neither side has an unfair advantage over the other but would have given a conclusion that probably would be acceptable to a greater number of people.

 

The EU will not renegotiate the same deal with the same government Flitton, but a change of government changes the whole ball game in as much as that Labour is likely to favour something approximating a Norway solution, which we already know is acceptable to the EU. As for bullying ? Is this another word for trying to avoid cherry picking - there was no way that the EU was ever going to allow Britain to retain all of the best things from the EU and avoid the responsibilities. Do you think that any club would offer as good a deal to non members as to members ? The mistake is that the government has wasted 2 years in actually realizing this - hence the panic now.

 

Ditto for David Cameron, which is how we got into this mess in the first place. As if we could possibly blame the EU for looking after their best interests? They want us to stay so they have made it easy for us to do so - it's only our politicians (cowards, in the main on this issue) and the media (liars in the main on this issue) who are making it so damned difficult - and not nearly as difficult to leave as they might do.
Personally I think a second vote is in order with a clear mandate to leave being required. That the turkeys have voted for christmas is one thing; for them to vote for easter as well would be quite another.... at the mercy of third tier WTO rules and bound to be further carved up for thanksgiving by the orange manchild across the pond.

 

I have realised since the referendum that we could not cherry pick and that we would not get all or much of what we wanted. Unfortunately when listening to all political parties views on the negotiations they obviously have failed mightly to grasp this fact in stating what they would achieve if they were in the driving seat and have continued to push us down a dead end road where there is going to be no exceptable conclusion deal or no deal and where one side will always blame the other side for the absolute mess we find ourselves in.
If we walk away with no deal ( which in my opinion would be disastrous) and do not pay the 51 billion divorce bill how would the EU cover the shortfall in their budget? They would have to come up with a new budget which one can only imagine would prove very unpopular to many member states.