Nice christmas break and now its back to this **** 12 days to go til Mays vote. legally it must be held by 21st jan i think? reports are that now half the tories have convinced themselves that no deal is better than may's deal. Corbyn is getting down to what to do as he really doesn't want her to renegotiate he's happy with no deal as well IMO. He is trying to swing an election but has narrow options cos he doesn't want to be the one who finds out that oh... there is nothing to do but no deal and be tarred with it. Its interesting for me to watch these self interests play out. He won't go for no confidence as he's not sure he will win it. and if he wins it then the labour party rules say they can open up new options which include remain as policy. So corbyn wont move a no confidence.... and the end result is within 2 weeks no deal will the the outcome of all of this... precisely what people said was a catastrophe and to be avoided. But the funny thing is after the tories ahd theri own internal leaderhsip vote I saw and article over christmas saying johnson would deliver best brexit which had to be propaganda bit for his leadership campaign as nobody is deluded enough to think may is stepping down now
I am getting a bit sick of the food shortage stories now. The reality is there are already documents for every cross border transaction done irrespective of zero duty. There will be more complex paperwork and a period where people have to ramp up yo delivering it in timely way and we've not gi1ven them time but.... I read that there will be no more carrots today. Stupid stuff like that is why Tory idiots are convincing themselves no deal is not going to be a disaster.
I thought along similar lines. I am old enough to remember the country before we joined the EU, or Common Market as it was called at the time, and I seem to recall we had food to eat, beer/wine to drink, and most commodities we have now. Admittedly I can't remember the shops being full of couscous and quinoa, but then the streets were not full of pontificating vegans and bearded snowflakes, if this post offends anyone tough sh*t I am old!
Yeah funny that. It's just going to be 15% more expensive. I think the Tories are thinking the eu are going to bend over backwards to have a transition period that will prevent a disaster for all sides. Anyone with a business trading cross borders knows that everything has incoterms as just to calculate countries gap you need to know exactly what's going in and out. When the us changed its laws 8 or 10 years ago everything had to get a customs code etc and it will be the same here. The issue is the system has to be replicated. You'd swear no system exists but we shop to non eu Countries. Most small companies importing say food will need extra staff to do the paperwork. If they've not hired by now.... well.... they are fools. 29th March there might be a bit of chaos but we will have to see how much. The issue with brexit is many businesses will simply not be profitable enough any more.
Just one example There are over 65000 small firms in UK (less than 50 employees) who are trading within eu only ( no other market) Think about that..... if those are badly impacted due to A) seeing costs go up B) profits falling due to cost of tariffs on their products/services More than 50million jobs there at threat. I don't care about hysteria about food in the supermarket on April's fools day. It's about 6 months into this post leave scenario I'm worried about.
This is a daft argument. We didn’t import 60% of our fresh produce back in the 70’s. Our supply chains will be clogged due to border delays and fresh produce will be the worst affected. Tariffs will make food more expensive irrespective of the pound further tanking - see Michael Gove for confirmation. What most appear to not understand is that we fall out of 750 regulatory agreements in the event of no deal. All of these agreements will require resolution whilst we’re in a state of crisis. They cover virtually every aspect of our lives. No deal would be an unmitigated disaster, and one completely of our own making, as it’s completely avoidable as we can stop this madness at any point.
the eu have stated thry will unilaterally extend **** to keep us alive and well. the fact.is the politicians have gotten down to convincing themselves that a no deal can be nice and controlled and that Mays deal.is the real disaster and political suicide. it's a pure politician view. ignore all advice and call it soon and gloom... rather like trump. dismiss public as they clearly have fallen for panic mongers bull... convince yourself.that paradise await and no deal was actually.best thing all along. its easy if you just try
No one voted for no deal. Even the Leave campaign said we would only leave in an orderly manner, having negotiated our exit terms and future trading arrangements. The push for ‘no deal’, being the only true Brexit is nauseating. It’d be the biggest act of national self harm in World history. It’s truly remarkable that it’s being protrayed now as a desirable outcome by the quiltings.
But that doesn't matter... you see what people did or didn't vote for never mattered. it's only a political excise to do what they want to do or trotted out to not do what they don't want to do. anyone on leave side who said we'd only leave with future trade negotiated was a liar. it took 10 years for so to do Canada deal. there was only ever 2 years and the thing is... it's only terms on ****ing off as far as eu is concerned. the reality of no deal is we've no idea what future relationship will be
i haven't a ****ing clue what is going on with this eu exit stuff as not followed it. but what worries me is this does seem like all politicians are thinking about themselves or for their parties and not the good of the country? please tell me im wrong! also how is it ****ing allowed is what i want to know if i am right!! ****s the lot of them!!!
the thing is the meaningful vote ****e was meant to prevent madness not enable it. the primacy of parliament and all thst and the **** turned round and used it to produce worst disaster poddible6
Follow the money mate. This goes way beyond party politics. This debacle has always been driven by offshore money and dubious foreign input. The likes of Rees Mogg and Redwood stand to make a fortune if we leave with no deal, as their hedge funds have shorted the **** out of the pound and their disaster capitalism ideals are perfectly served by the fiscal calamity of a no deal outcome.
Brexit: Second Commons defeat for Theresa May in 24 hours https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46805269
We are already developing software versions of Accounting , CRM, Wharehousing modules etc with the various Brexit ****e plans or no plans... For a big firm to upgrade or move systems takes up to 2 years..... that should be fun on a grand scale...lol
May is now offering a vote on the backstop in 2020 and a timelimit of 1 year being in it despite not getting anything from eu.
It’s not in the agreement and she’s not offering it, it’s a meangless amendment proposal. They might as well have put we demand powdered unicorn horn in it. Utterly pointless.
But she is. she's offering anything and everything to these turds. at this point was gets past our parliament will then just be rejected by eu. btw... how does parliament think that passing motions like a 3 day limit is meaningful? the clear law is reject deal and a 7 day clock starts to state intentions and no amount of votes saying no deal is not possible mean anything. the parliament are in a bubble forgetting that the eu can still say **** off...
The agreement won’t be amended by the EU, therefore any promises of amendments being passed that would necessitate that are utterly pointless. The Bercow decision yesterday on the amendment that will force May to come back within 3 days of her vote losing next week, was to stop her pushing back her next move for 21 Parliamentary days, which would have taken us to the end of Feb. Her entire plan was to simply run down the clock and bring it back at that point, hammering home the message that it’s this or no deal. They’ve now stopped that. The House has clearly shown that there’s a majority against no deal, this is significant as the Executive would be going against the House should it allow a no deal to occur. Mays premise that it’s her deal or no deal is false, as there’s 2 other options. We can unilaterally revoke A50 or we can go to the EU and ask for an extension, which if the reason was for a further referendum, would be backed.
