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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    I said before Christmas when we were discussing a second referendum that this could all get ugly. Always a few nutters out there content on causing violence. These won’t be the ‘gammon’ but hardened right wingers jumping onto the Brexit bandwagon.
     
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    Yes, and it'll get worse in the coming months. Ignoring the extremists, there's a lot of frustration out there
     
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    She sounds like sort of person with a bit of imagination and, well grit, the Tories need.
     
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  4. GoldhawkRoad

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    She'd be better moving to the Lib Dems imo
     
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  5. GoldhawkRoad

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    A lot of religion is superstition in another form. The Scriptures can be positive if interpreted in the right way. Destructive if not
     
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  6. sb_73

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    Well I have my views on that, but in this instance I was struck by the profound confusion that the speaker was labouring under about the nature of both religion and science and the fact that there was no one around to say ‘hold on a minute...’ in this format.

    People can believe whatever they like as far as I’m concerned, as long as they haven’t been forced, indoctrinated or bullied into belief and don’t force, indoctrinate or bully others, especially kids, into following them, and they don’t expect people who don’t share their beliefs to moderate how they live to avoid offending them. If what they believe, however laughable I find it, gives meaning to their lives that’s brilliant, I certainly don’t have anything to compete with that, in fact the exact opposite.
     
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  7. GoldhawkRoad

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    Chairman of Germany's anti-immigration party AfD is beaten almost to death in Bremen by masked men. Ominous.
     
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    I hope he was saved by an immigrant surgeon.
     
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  9. ELLERS

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    Mmm this is how it starts.
     
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  10. GoldhawkRoad

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    I was thinking the same. Compare with the Jewish lad whose German parents had been sent East in trucks in 1938. He assassinated a Nazi official in Paris and this led directly to Kristallnacht...
     
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  11. ELLERS

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    Lots of EU countries are powder kegs with many far right groups waiting to kick off.
    We don’t hear of half the stuff that goes on due to a crack down by the media who are controlled by governments.
    I watched a video yesterday re the French riots and wanted to post it. I started the post and when I returned it was removed. It showed French police bashing the crap out of people in yellow vests. Most were just watching and we’re turned on.
    Sky did the same to me before Christmas when the awful Kay Burley let this remainer woman shout down a leaver MP and when he walked off she started mocking him. They took down the tweet and replaced it with a redacted version an hour later. Fortuneatly many saw what they did and tweeted after.
    As I said this is how it starts.
     
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    French far-right overtakes Macron in EU parliament election poll

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    The party of French far-Right leader Marine Le Pen has overtaken the president's in European Parliament voting intentions Credit: Angelo Carconi/ANSA
    4 November 2018 • 4:53pm
    Marine Le Pen’s National Rally has overtaken the centrist party of Emmanuel Macron, the French president, for the first time, according to an opinion poll released Sunday, in a further sign of the rise of the far-Right in Europe.
    The Ifop poll measured voting intentions for European Parliament elections next May, seen as a decisive battle between pro-EU liberals and Eurosceptic populists that could be pivotal in shaping the future of the European Union after Brexit.
    Liberals championed by Mr Macron are attempting to fend off a rising anti-immigrant and Eurosceptic wave led by Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orban, and Matteo Salvini, Italy’s influential deputy prime minister.
    The poll showed Ms Le Pen’s party, formerly known as the Front National, with 21 per cent of voting intentions compared to 19 per cent for Mr Macron’s La Republique En Marche (LREM) party.
    Together with the seven per cent of people planning to vote for a smaller far-Right party, Stand Up France, and two per cent going for two small “Frexit” parties, the French far-Right has won 30 per cent of voting intentions, a five-point gain since August, according to the poll.
    In a landmark victory, the Front National won the largest share of the French vote in the last European elections in 2014, when the Socialist Party held power in France.
    Mr Macron is leading the campaign for the 2019 European elections, which he has described as “a contest between progressives and nationalists”.
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    A woman holds the hand of French President Emmanuel Macron as he is greeted by people after leaving a restaurant on November 1, 2018 Credit: CHARLY TRIBALLEAU/AFP
    On a recent visit to Slovakia and the Czech Republic, Mr Macron railed against populists, accusing Hungarian and Polish leaders of being “fantasists [who] lie to their people.”
    He said it angered him to see posters with slogans such as “Stop Brussels”, arguing that EU membership had brought countries such as Hungary and Poland greater prosperity.
    Last week he urged Europeans to “resist” what he called “the nationalist leprosy”.
    He said: “The moment we are living through resembles the period between the two world wars…
    "In a Europe divided by fear, the nationalist withdrawal, the consequences of the economic crisis, one sees almost methodically the recurrence of everything that set the pace of European life from the end of the First World War to the Great Depression of 1929.”
    Nevertheless, the French president’s approval ratings have plunged to 21 per cent amid rising discontent over his failure to fulfil his election pledges to slash unemployment, boost growth and cut taxes.
    Fuel price increases stemming from tax increases justified as an anti-pollution measure have alienated rural and small-town voters, and the president has also been damaged by a scandal over his bodyguard who was filmed beating protesters.
    Ms Le Pen’s party appears to be the only opposition group benefiting from Mr Macron’s unpopularity.
    The far-Left France Unbowed party, whose leader Jean-Luc Mélenchon took nearly 20 per cent of the vote in the first round of France’s presidential election last year, fell three points to 11 per cent in the European election poll.
     
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    is it really so easy to set up a food bank
    for 1500 quid you could set one up in your own kitchen
    think of the annual savings you could make never having to go to the shops again
    except to buy a bottle or two of celebratory chiraz


    The Food Bank Con.
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    Ask any Corbynista to explain why food bank usage is on the increase and they’ll respond in a handwringing frenzy of self virtue and hysterical ranting;
    “People are literally starving to death, pensioners are freezing to death, frozen solid in their Shackleton’s arm chairs, disabled people have been murdered by the government, people are dying in hospital cupboards and the Tories are running around eating the children.”
    Maybe I should ask somebody else, you know, somebody who isn’t in need of some serious couch time or wearing a straitjacket, so now I’ve ruled out every Corbynista in the U.K. who else could I ask, I know, I’ll ask somebody who has actually done some digging, some investigation work, somebody who appeared in my DMs and openly spoke about what they’d uncovered as an investigative journalist & agreed to meet me to discuss their findings further, so here goes….
    The Trussell Trust have a reputation for helping those in need via their extensive network of food banks, indeed, they handed out 1,332,952 food parcels to the ‘needy’ in 2017 but why do food banks seem to be opening up at such an alarming rate?
    There are two answers to this question, firstly, more & more people are realising how easy it is to get a weeks worth of free shopping.
    Secondly, and this was the wow moment for me, the Trussell Trust, who organise & peddle most of the food bank network, charge a £1500 ‘contribution’ fee and a £360 annual ‘service’ fee to be paid by all those persuaded to set up a food bank. Not only is it very easy to set up a food bank but the Trussell Trust will allow you to do it in any area whether it’s required or not.
    Leftists will assert that food banks are strictly controlled and that stringent checks are in place so the system can’t be abused, not true! My contact has on numerous occasions tested this lefty myth and discovered it’s simply a case of using one of the following three lies; a/ their partner had spent all the housekeeping money on booze and they had nothing left to buy food for the children. b/ they had lost their purse/wallet and couldn’t feed the children. c/ their partner had left them for another man/woman and taken all the money to feed the children. Every time one of these lines were used, my contact was given food.
    In an effort to see things from the inside, my contact volunteered to work in several food banks. In that time they witnessed people chain smoking, drinking alcohol, many had smartphones and they always left with food packages, one person was overheard discussing with a friend how they went on holiday with the money they’d saved from not buying food.
    The truth is that both the food bank operators and the Trussell Trust themselves have a huge vested interest in ensuring these food banks operate to maximum levels because there happens to be an ever expanding industry built on the back of them.
    For every food bank open for business, the Trussell Trust receives their £1500 initial payment and £360 on an annual basis. The food bank operators are free to register their individual food bank as a charity and of course can run their own events, fundraiser activities, take donations from local businesses and then decide whether they take a salary and how much. Supermarkets earn kudos and advertising by donating food and encourage their shoppers to donate food. According to the Trussell Trust, in 2014-15 they provided food banks in the Trussell Trust network with £1.68m worth of funding through their partnership with Tesco, £921,000 of donated goods and £137,000 of financial grants. These are the latest published figures, so based on the increased usage that we hear so much about you would have to assume the funding has increased also. Take into account the events, fundraiser activities and donations from local businesses for individual food banks and its easy to see how food banks have become such a lucrative cog in the poverty industry.
    Because of the fees the Trussell Trust charges and the huge sums of other monies involved, it is in Trussell’s best interests to open as many food banks as it possibly can, needed or not. The fact that anybody can open a food bank anywhere they choose to with Trussell’s assistance, provided the food bank operatives cross Trussell’s palm with the appropriate pieces of silver supports this claim and as with all things that are free, it’s simply a case of opening the doors and waiting for the locals to turn up for their handout. Before the food bank operatives can say “free stuff,” the food bank is operating to capacity, the donations come rolling in and on to the next opening. In the meantime, food bank usage figures increase, the left get to weaponise them, beat the government with a stick and all the time the cash is rolling in. Make no mistake, food banks are here to stay.
     
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  15. BobbyD

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    52 percent psychopath
     
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    From a website called Brexit Tory. Not propaganda at all, just a bunch of overprivileged ****s, or **** singular, with time on his/her hands as they live from Daddy’s trust fund. If they were true to their ideology they would be out there mocking anyone who has to visit a food bank.
     
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    28% on the test
     
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    That’s a relief. Shows you can have a personality and not be a psychopath.
     
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    that may well be true sb but is what he/she says also true
    can you set up a foodbank for 1500 quid and another 360 annual fee
    is it really that easy
     
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    I demand a recount...:grin:
     
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