they feel (like everton) that finishing ahead of us in our bad times means they are big and deserve more respect. when they see us have a good time and get media attention it then drives them mad. especially when they are still not taken seriously by media in title race.
I think having seen how arsenal are blown out and Chelsea are so in consistent nearly 2/1 is generous. Also astro predicted it ergo it must come to pass
Olly Bummer Jamjar is getting a tad carried away. Manchester United: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says they 'can win every game' https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46757160
oily bum needs to realise spurs are coming. cocky gits can have a big fall when they run their mouths. but I actually.know this is probably click bait and he only commented about how players are telling good. I talked to a manc yesterday and almost laughed in his face when he was gushing about the guy saying he's applying Ferguson's methods. these mancs don't seen to realise that both mourinho and Ferguson were men ahead of their time but time passed both by Ferguson's tactics today would be blown off park. why? 442 with wide men.. what the plastic mancs have been calling for. Ferguson at the start of his run was based on being more professional more athletic more fast etc. by the end of his time he was bypassed utterly. the issue for me now is everyone at the top is at the highest levels of what made Utd win things. its about the very best players with the very best tactics now. so when solksjaer runs into spurs we will find out what he's got. its well and good walking trhough the dregs of the league but show me something v spurs. (its not impossible, spurs have a fixture pile.up coming)
so there is a very serious story out there about an england player https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46757165 but the rag it was reported in means we cannot really discuss what said scum rag said. The bbc are report that the FA want details now though.... apparently some footballer was seen taking cocaine at christmas night out after an away game this festive period and it was hushed up so the player is not named but now FA wants to know who it is. I'm thinking it must be boxing day game surely? The timing is odd as you'd imagine top clubs would not be allowing any night outs after away games with how many fixtures are so close to each other so that puts a few "lesser" clubs firmly in spotlight.
Debateable. Fergie knew his tactics werent the best and got in tacticians in the mid 2000s and shifted to 433. What set him apart was his man management and when to get rid his players.
Yes but form 1992 say.... the difference between utd and LFc was night and day. you could look at utd players from front to back and see athletes compared to our lot who looked fat frankly. They were way ahead in the science of the sport. I agree on what you are saying form mid 2000s. Ferguson learned a huge amount in europe form 1993 to 1999 cos utd would be schooled in the CL constantly. I would contend however he had a 442 as giggs scholes keane and beckham made it work. he only switched once he lost that midfield general... and i would contend he never found one and utd still have not found one... they don't know what to do with pogba which says a lot about utd managers frankly. I would agree his ruthlessness and management by fear kept them going as he wasn't loyal to players par se and got shut. Bob paisley learned this from shankley and he had 3 separate teams to win all he did. Shanks kepts the same team and we went into doldrums for 7 years under shanks. My point is if ferguson was around today at 60 not 70 odd and applied what he sued to do back then even 2005/6 etc he'd be beaten off park.
He was a bit like Klopp. Made sure he got his players performing at their optimal level. And if that wasn’t good enough he would get rid. The opposite of Mourinho who get his players underperforming.
Can't debate that. Different era back then. You could say if Paisley or Clough or busby came to the modern era they would be crap. Wouldn't be able to handle egos, moddy coddling, diving, new methods and tactics etc
No they wouldn't that is very true. Mourinho could trun his hand to it. The difference between players who grew up pre iphones and post iphones is STARK. Ferguson could bully millionaire footballers. Mourinho at chelsea... my god those cheslea players would run through a wall for him. Today? they laugh in your face. They whine and bleat and have to be coddled as you say. My point is not that they couldn't do it.... they would learn new ways. my point is about utd fans thinking they only need "return to the ferguson way" and all will be well. I hear them every week bleating on 606 radio show to robbie savage about 2 upfront and wingers blah blah.... solskjae saying he is applying their great ones tactics has them in the plam of his hand... its actually genius thing to do to get them backing him Football morphs and changes all the time. We brought in 352 under roy evans and many teams copied us. We actually did 343 under rodgers before cheslea and conte who had the style in italy. maybe one day putting a 442 into action will look a genius move for some team.... who knows. But in todays game players breaking the lines and pulling players out of shape is the key to winning games. playing a flat 442 and thinking you can outrun and outlast teams is dead. Utd fans need to move on. Stop pining for that system and realise good football is not 442 with wingers. Its technical players like mikhitaryan and mata who they have not appreciated at all. Its not even salah's or matrials tpyes running in behind either. Pace is great but you need a david silva as well as an aguero to make things happen. City are where they are due to that midfield AND aguero.
Agreed. I would also argue (at least in the prem) allied with skill, 90% of your players need to be athletically strong. There is no place in the top tier teams for a luxury player. Even David Silva does his share of running and pressing. Its gone back to a physical game
In fairness to mourinho there was a time his players would do anything for him. anything. klopp seems to get something out of todays players, or at least he looks for a TYPE of player. Klopp would never buy a pogba. He got shut of sahko. Klopp looks for the attitude to the game that matches his style and then build that into his team. THe players are not the best in every position. in fact only 3 or maybe 4 of our players are the best in the league in thier position. Salah, VVD and alisson right now are stunning players. I'm not sure i'd say anyone else really. We don't have one really poor player bar moreno frankly despite the whinging but klopp builds his system on ethics. The players being bought are all suited to that.
In the prem you need to be an athlete. Torreira at arsenal proves height is not necessary but he's very strong. I would contend that no top league has players who are not strong any more. abck in 2005-09 i think the english league blew the others away with power but since then the italians and spanish and germans all run just as far and are just as strong (top teams) Ive not seen a european opponent thats top class side thats not matched us in that. the prem today is all kick and rush and the lesser sides sit too far off. klopp says thats the difference to germany. a side would come with their plan to try win the game wheras here.... our next game is brighton the sole plan will be fore them to sit deep and defend. then birghton go play another mid to lower team and play different and kick and rush ensues. You cannot defend well if you don't play the same way every week. you can't turn it on for 6 games.
