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City have already missed out on two transfer targets...

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  1. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    I doubt the majority of League 1 and 2 clubs have a head of recruitment, they have much smaller staffing budgets than we do. We aren't going to be aiming to bring anybody in permanently under the current ownership, so all he has to do is secure two loans, provided the cost is minimal. Then he's done. Then he has to wait for the takeover to go through to see what kind of player we can afford in Summer. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest, I know he has a minimal budget to work with, but it's still an easier job than being a coach, a manager or a physio.

    Speaking of Angus McDonald, I don't doubt he's a bit bored. With our current centre half injury problems, why isn't he making the bench? Or has he booted off as well?
     
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  2. GLP

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    I’m not sure Darnborough is capable of unearthing a gem. Regardless of the current state of affairs. He has a poor track record at pretty much every club that have employed him.

    In fact I doubt Darnborough could unearth a gem in a high class jewellers with unlimited funds...
     
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  3. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

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    He’s sidelined with something quite serious.
     
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    Des Head Well-Known Member

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46149834
     
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  5. Steven Toast

    Steven Toast Well-Known Member

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    Ah yeah I remember now. Just weird that he isn't even mentioned in the interviews, so I'm guessing his condition hasn't improved?
     
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  6. Gone For A Walk

    Gone For A Walk Well-Known Member

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    it will be hugely frustrating for darnborough.

    That's the point.
    Imagine being in a job where you are not allowed to do your job.
    The salary might make it ok for a short while, but anybody with anything about them surely wouldn't be able to stomach it.
    How does he?

    And why start off a reply with yet another provocative, argumentative statement ... and then go on to agree in part? #takeadayoff #NewYear'sResolution?
     
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  7. GLP

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    I think it’s long term. He’s had it before and from memory it’s quite serious. Blood clotting possibly - could be wrong.
     
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  8. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    He doesn't negotiate Ehab does that. As has just happened.
    Getting it now?
     
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  9. Porthmeor Tiger

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    He certainly can’t hold a candle to a Head of Recruitment.
     
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    Re the Elphick to do one thread.... if he does go back, does that leave a salary which was likely budgeted for the entire season available to get someone else in... you'd hope so...
     
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  11. Brucebones

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    You’d think so, but Ehab will probably just add it to his own salary as a bonus for running the best run club in the country!
     
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  12. Steven Toast

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    Alright, there’s no need to get daft. Our scouts identify the players, relay that info to LD and he is then in charge of bringing them in. Previously, before we had a head of recruitment, Ehab handled the negotiations, as was seen on SSN on transfer deadline day. Ehab then recruited LD so that he didn’t have to do it anymore. Ehab might still sit in, but there wouldn’t be any need for him to. A head of recruitment is in charge of recruiting people, you seem to have him confused with a chief scout, which is something else entirely.
     
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  13. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Bullshit. Ehab has the final say and you know it.
    Oh and first club I looked at, scunny, have a head of recruitment.
     
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  14. Steven Toast

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    Yup, and they've got a multi millionaire owner. They can afford to. So look at clubs that don't have rich owners, your Fleetwoods, your Yeovils, they don't. They just have a chief scout. We've actually never had a head of recruitment before, we always had a chief scout running things and followed that model. But because there are budgetary reasons preventing us from getting the players we might like, we need somebody who can also make financial decisions combining that role. We went from a model that you are describing, where Ehab/Assem has to sign off on everything, to somebody else handling the process. Were this conversation taking place two years ago, you'd have been bang on.

    It's LD's job to recruit players, scouting, signing, deciding how much money to offer, that's what a head of recruitment does. A chief scout, like we had with Stan Ternant, can recommend players to the manager, who then goes to the owner, but they don't have any say in the actual process of signing the contract.

    He was signed up so that Ehab didn't have to bother with much of the football side of things, that was the point. That and Slutsky had a distinct lack of knowledge regarding English football. Ehab has a say in the budget, naturally, but he doesn't have to be there when the contract is offered or signed off.

    I'm not going to argue about this, it's ****ing Christmas. That's the way it is. If you find it incredulous, suit yourself, but you're incorrect. I'm not trying to make you look a mug, you just don't seem to believe the way we work now. It's not really a big deal.
     
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  15. look_back_in_amber

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    Yes you are.
     
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  16. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    No you aren't making me look a mug.
    Ehab has a say in the budget..Kinell .
     
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  17. Steven Toast

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    I know he does. He sets the budget, it's then up to the manager and the recruitment team to get the players in. Why would Ehab need to sign off on anything? He's done the bit he needs to do, he provides the money. If he wanted to do it himself, he wouldn't have appointed somebody to do it for him.
     
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  18. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    **** me he micro manages the ****ing club.
    End.
     
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  19. dennisboothstash

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    This ^ a gazillion percent

    Sterling is discussing a logical approach in a normal club, and if that was the case he’d be right.
    However it isn’t the case and Ehab does exactly what you say Chazz...micromanages everything. I personally know he’s had to sign off expenditure of around £50 so the notion he doesn’t get involved in transfers is spectacularly fanciful at best
     
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  20. Steven Toast

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    Epilogue.

    He used to. He doesn't anymore. Not since he hired somebody to take care of the football side of things. It's 2018, not 2014. The way the club is run is different now to how it used to be a few years ago. This was talked about when LD was brought in, on here, do you not remember this discussion about why we've brought him in and how useless he'd been at other clubs? IIRC it was a pretty long thread.

    Yes, he's known to be a notorious micro-manager, but that was back when he actually gave a **** about being in charge. Now his priorities lay elsewhere, so he brought in a specialist to take care of that for him. Now all Ehab has to do is sit in his office and flick through the latest copies of GQ and occasionally entertain the idea of a sale with some Saudi businessmen.

    Head of Recruitment = man who is in charge of recruiting players.
    Recruitment = scouting, recommending players to manager, preliminary talks, discussions with agents about costs, contract talks, contract offers and contract signings (including bonuses and extras, such as houses and cars).
    Chief Scout set up = man scouts, gives report to manager, manager goes to owner and asks for player, owner sits down and talks with the player along with the manager and gets him to sign (or not).

    We no longer follow the chief scout method, so Ehab doesn't have to be involved.

    Taken from an interview with LD regarding the exact same position he held at Burnley. No, Ehab wasn't the owner of Burnley, but, oh look, it's exactly what I've been saying.


    “However you term the title, it’s about that football link to the chief executive and the board, who ultimately fund the club going forward,” said Darnbrough.

    “At our level, it’s about letting the chief executive concentrate on generating revenues for the club. He doesn’t want to be bombarded with emails and asked what we are doing with this player or that player."

    Fancy that.
     
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