Off Topic Political Debate

The voting in the referendum was not done on a constituency basis Frenchie and so MPs are not obliged to vote on anything other than their consciences. With secret voting in Parliament on everything to do with Brexit this could have led to a very different position today. If the people can vote secretly then why not also MPs. I can see that this would not be democratic when they are elected according to a specific manifesto, but this is a very different scenario.

 

Why don't you try to consider the issues. Why is the national debt almost doubled, why are so many people living in poverty? Maybe you are in denial, I don't know. Are you happy with the news items about parents who will get their Christmas dinner from the food bank, and have no money to buy their children a present. Your wasted £25 would have made a real difference to one family.

 

You obviously failed to remember my previous post, my donation towards the Conservative party is to assist the Tories remaining the natural party for government way into the future. It is likely I will be able to choose the next Prime Minister for you guys within the next 8 or 9 months. The ERG is extremely influencial as witnessed by tonights vote. It's pressure also extracted a promise by the PM to leave office, she still has to face her dodgy bill being defeated. She may even choose that time to step down.

 

I was actually thinking about normal day to day politics cologne. I could never have stood under a party label as I would not accept a whip. To do so would have made me do things I didn't believe in.

 

I will remain polite, but you told us that your membership was not to support the party, but to change the leadership. No leadership election for a year, so get the cheque book out.

 

With the massive increase in employment and the rise in the minimum wage isn't it about time individuals took responsibility for their families.?
Without knowing the circumstances it is impossible to comment on individual cases.

There is more poverty in France than the UK, why don't you join the hordes protesting against your government.?

 

Wrong again, I had previously said my financial support for the Tories was to help their election fund and to be able to choose the next PM. The PM has not said she will remain for another year, she may well decide to go sooner. I'm very happy to continue my Tory party membership well into the future. The threat of the Marx twins should be enough for all to join. Do you require an application form?

 

No thanks, I have my voting rights still.

 

I think that despite their best efforts, the ERG have lost the argument, and are no longer the opposition. Time for Corbyn to get his act together as he cannot rely on them any more.

 

Corbyn needs to step up to the mark now...

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Comrade Corbyn has demonstrated exactly what he is - just another self serving politician, but who wears a red tie. He knows damn well that if he pushed for a non-confidence vote in the government it would fail because the DUP would vote against it. They would prefer almost anything than Corbyn, who has always supported a united Ireland, in government. Corbyn will not risk that as it negates his one goal which is to force a General Election.

 

Are you seriously trying to convince someone (anyone) that the tories are the natural party of government after the shenanigans of the last week? (If you do bother to reply, it would be helpful if you could answer the question, and not divert onto some other path.) While you are at it, you might try to explain how the tories are keen to return sovereignty to parliament, when all they do is try to grab sovereignty for thermselves.

 

Well, the Tories have been chosen as the nation's favourite since 2010 and are due to lead until 2022. The opposition having lost three elections should be well ahead in the polls. The LP are bitterly divided and the leader has little support in the country. I would have thought my statement about 'natural party of government was so obvious.

The proper Tories, the ERG, which represent the grassroots of Tory support, clearly want to end major decisions being taken in Brussels and return those to Westminster. Again this should be obvious to most people.

 

When you see an ex-cabinet minister suggesting that the ERG should resign the Tory whip and form their own party, you know that the party is in terminal decline.

 

According to that logic the Labour Party were the 'Natural party of government' between 1997 and 2010. The only thing which appears to be 'natural' is that the British electorate gives parties 2-3 terms of office before deciding to kick them out. By that logic we can now look forward to a longish Labour term in government. As for Corbyn being unpopular - he has more support at the grass roots of the party than Blair had, and when was the last time a left leaning Labour Party regularly pulled over 40% in opinion polls ? I would agree that Corbyn has not been exactly clear throughout the entire Brexit debate, and this may be weakening his grass roots support - even now his speeches show glaring inconsistencies. The last time the Tories had several terms in office they had over 700,000 members - this time it has dipped under the hundred thousand (and most of them advanced in years) - so in a few years, if they avoid self destruction, they will have died out anyway.

 

No, this was from an oddball (Nicky Morgan) that would be more comfortable joining the Lib Dems if they had any support in the country. Her views garner very little support amongst the Tory grassroots. Your 'terminal decline' prediction makes the Tories future successes even more likely.

 

agreed.

The Tories remain in power because the opposition are truly dreadful.

 

Interesting that virtually all the tory Party members interviewed on TV last night and this morning favoured the party now pulling together behind May. They were hardly any advocating the ERG position Rees Smoggy was expounding after the vote. The grass roots are much more moderate... Many were saying they felt for her and her integrity..

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Despite the effects of Brexit the UK's economy grew 3 times faster than the EU average in the third quarter of 2018. This returns the UK to the default position of superior growth over the EU in the past 10 years. This was the strongest UK growth rate since last quarter of 2016.

 

Hmmm - the letters page in the Telegraph has been toxic for the last few weeks. Quite amusing really actually.