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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
bobmid said:
Zzzzzz
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You see bob, that is where you fail because that post is spot on and correct. If you want to put your head in the sand then do so.
I can't communicate with people like you so sorry if I don't respond anymore. I am not a :eek:. I enjoy good debate and need to be inspired not have my brain turn to jelly.
 
Stroller said:
You need to educate yourself before attempting to patronise others pal.
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Not patronising just explaining the maths of this. You know the post was correct... unless of course Corbyn supports May's 'Deeply flawed agreement' then things may change. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
Being over here, I have tried to stay out of this debate but I do have a question. I assume that a VONC would be a whipped vote but even with the support of the DUP she doesn't have a massive majority in the house - is it possible/probable that enough DUP or Tories would break ranks and bring down the government. Only asking because from here I don't have a feel for this and I would appreciate the education
 
mapleranger said:
Being over here, I have tried to stay out of this debate but I do have a question. I assume that a VONC would be a whipped vote but even with the support of the DUP she doesn't have a massive majority in the house - is it possible/probable that enough DUP or Tories would break ranks and bring down the government. Only asking because from here I don't have a feel for this and I would appreciate the education
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Don't ask me because when I explain the options I get told I am being patronising? However I will be intrigued by the response. :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
mapleranger said:
Being over here, I have tried to stay out of this debate but I do ha. ve a question. I assume that a VONC would be a whipped vote but even with the support of the DUP she doesn't have a massive majority in the house - is it possible/probable that enough DUP or Tories would break ranks and bring down the government. Only asking because from here I don't have a feel for this and I would appreciate the education
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Without the DUP she doesn't have a majority at all. They hold all the aces and could bring her down at almost any time. Whether they would in a VONC is probably doubtful, but certainly possible.
 
mapleranger said:
Being over here, I have tried to stay out of this debate but I do have a question. I assume that a VONC would be a whipped vote but even with the support of the DUP she doesn't have a massive majority in the house - is it possible/probable that enough DUP or Tories would break ranks and bring down the government. Only asking because from here I don't have a feel for this and I would appreciate the education
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The DUP probably will continue to support May's goverment, partly because they are opposed to the Sinn Fein supporting Jeremy Corbyn. But they won't support her on her Brexit deal while the indefinite backstop is there.

It would take a lot to persuade Tory extremists, whether Leave or Remain, to weaken the goverment enough to bring about a general election, but it's not impossible. They would not be forgiven
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
The DUP probably will continue to support May's goverment, partly because they are opposed to the Sinn Fein supporting Jeremy Corbyn. But they won't support her on her Brexit deal while the indefinite backstop is there.

It would take a lot to persuade Tory extremists, whether Leave or Remain, to weaken the goverment enough to bring about a general election, but it's not impossible. They would not be forgiven
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If you vote against your own party and government in a confidence ballot surely you have to leave the party as well?
 
Staines R's said:
You weren’t the one who has been accused of hating Jews.

Ok mate, won’t say anymore, let’s continue talking about Brexit.....that isn’t tedious in the slightest
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Neither were you. My mistake. I forgot that on a forum where people respond to questions thrown out at random you seem to believe (when it suits you) that you only answer questions addressed to you directly. Fair enough. I'll ask you directly. Is there antisemitism in the Labour party or society generally?
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Neither were you. My mistake. I forgot that on a forum where people respond to questions thrown out at random you seem to believe (when it suits you) to pretend that you only answer questions addressed to you directly. Fair enough. I'll ask you directly. Is there antisemitism in the Labour party or society generally?
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I very rarely, if ever, respond to anything you post because I know you and I are never gonna agree about anything and it’s pointless. I find you very condescending and try to ignore your posts.
You actually insinuated that I was an antisemite when nothing can be further from the truth. That’s what you do.....you make snide digs and statements about anyone on here that disagrees with you and try and act clever and condescending.
It’s a sad indictment of your personality.

For the record, yes there are almost certainly members of the Labour Party who hold antisemetic views, as with any party, I don’t believe Jeremy Corbyn is one of them.
But, as I’ve stated many times before, there is a massive difference between being antizionist and antisemetic.

Is that clear enough for you ?
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
The DUP probably will continue to support May's goverment, partly because they are opposed to the Sinn Fein supporting Jeremy Corbyn. But they won't support her on her Brexit deal while the indefinite backstop is there.

It would take a lot to persuade Tory extremists, whether Leave or Remain, to weaken the goverment enough to bring about a general election, but it's not impossible. They would not be forgiven
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As I understand the Fixed Term Parliament Act, a VONC, if carried, does not necessarily lead to a General Election.

A fixed period of time is given (I think 14 days?) for a new Government to win a confidence vote. This could be a new leader of the same party that has just lost a confidence vote. So if May lost a VONC, Boris, for sake of argument, could try and win a vote and form a Govt.

Now that May is safe from an internal leadership challenge for a year, we could see the ERG or others utilise this loophole to keep up the pressure.
 
Next Labour leader, latest odds:
The one who lied about antisemitism 6-1
The one who lied about who was driving8-1
The one who lied about rent boys 10-1
The one who lied about sexual assault 15-1
The one who lied about drug dealing 20-1
The one who didn’t know about money 8-1
 
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