Off Topic UK / EU Future

Technology that no one has been able to demonstrate....anywhere. Odd that no manufacturers in this sector have piped up and said they have a solution. You swerved the point though. The liars that you stand with have said it’s supposedly easy to achieve and yet they’re bleating about a backstop that only occurs if in 2 years time of they’ve not produced their Unicorn. The bare faced cheek of that contradictory position is shameless.

Most of our trade isn’t via WTO terms so that’s incorrect for a start off, frictionless trade is what holds our supply chains together, only the truly witless, clueless and those simply lying are saying a no deal Brexit would be anything remotely like an acceptable outcome.

Of course people entrenched like you were going to try and blame the EU, for the fact that something undeliverable hasn’t been delivered. You’d no doubt be talking about them blockading us if the M20 was a car park and our estuaries a marina for cargo ships. Reality was always going to collide with the bullshit you’ve bought in to and regurgitated ad infinitum, and it’s about now I reckon.

I see you finish with the Sovereignty line as well, the ‘backstop’ of the desperate Leaver, shame you didn’t read the first page of the Govts white paper for the withdrawal bill.

 

Superb, Tobes.

 

I don't suppose that too many of us have heard about the civil contingency secretariat of the Cabinet Office. They actually are there to coordinate emergency planning for dangerous events throughout the country. Tomorrow all Privy councillors have been invited to attend a meeting about the effects of a no deal outcome. This reminds me of the time when I was in local government and received a missive from Whitehall. Not quite top secret, but not for general discussion in case it spooked the locals. It gave a lengthy list that local councils should address to prevent a complete breakdown in local life. Electricity supplies down, water supplies uncertain, food supplies interrupted, plus many other issues that you wouldn't think of. It was how I imagined that it must have been in the WWII. It was a scary list. If the Privy councillors receive something similar and it is designed to put the frighteners on them, it may well succeed.

 

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Project fear.... My secretary of state has put prettty much all routine work on hold since August so we are only doing no deal work. It's really weird to be putting in the best work you've ever done and throwing everything into it and hoping it's unneccessary! But this SofS is pro Brexit and some of the no deal stuff they are signing off doesn't look great in terms of what it would mean for UK.

 

If our negotiators replicated your weedy defeatist attitude it is unsurprising we have ended up with such a poor deal.

In the absence of an agreement with the EU, imports will raise £12.9 bn for the treasury in duties, whilst exporters will face £5.2 bn in total in tariffs on their exports to the EU. We can trade well with the EU on WTO rules until a mutually preferential deal can be reached, not the current subservient one on offer. Present non EU trading practices can easily be extended to cover the EU, the JIT supply chains can also be manage given the necessary political will. The EU is more concerned about warning off other deeply dissatisfied member states from following the UK's sensible path away from this failed experiment. No wonder the growth in world trade is outside of the EU trading block, the anti business stance from Brussels is why the UK's exports to the area is dropping continuously.

 

The unsurprising revelations contained in the legal advice given to the government completely justified the doubts of the DUP and others concerned with democracy and preservation of the Union. Personally I would not care one bit if NI voted to leave the rest of the UK to forge a new relationship with the Republic of Ireland. What cannot be acceptable is a division between NI and the UK through the back door to solve a border issue and politically assist the Republic in their long held aims of a united Ireland. The DUP's promise to end the current support of the UK government if her deal is accepted is right and proper. They have also promised to keep the present arrangement intact if and when her deal is defeated. Hopefully May will quit to allow a proper Brexiteer to take over so actual progress with the EU can take place.
Details of the lock in contained in the backstop will prevent the majority of MPs supporting this, how could May and Robbins ever think it would be acceptable?

 

Yeah it’s awfully ‘weedy and defeatist’ to mention facts. I’m sure if we’d have rocked up in Brussels with more ‘belief’ then a rules based organisation would have rolled over and changed the rules of the club for the member who’s decided to leave. You spout little more than meaningless soundbites and jingoistic bullshit man.

So we’d end up on the right end of the tariffs so WTO is all fine and dandy then? Only you seem to forget that the tariffs will be ultimately be paid by the consumer and together with a further crashed currency this’ll drive inflation.
You dismiss the impact on our complex supply chains with ‘they’ll just have to manage’ and ‘political will’. That’s just abject nonsense. No amount of ‘will’ can change the fact that overnight we’d be introducing crucial time delays to a system that currently runs like a Swiss watch. You think because you once imported a truck load of non time sensitive whatever, that you understand complex logistics, newsflash: you’ve not got a clue. Here’s the thing, when you introduce barriers to trade - then you do less trade. We’d be leaving the largest, frictionless free trade area on the planet and overnight losing not only the single market access to the EU27, but the trade deals that we have via the EU with 70 other countries. Yet we hear Brexiteers like you in Parliament bloviating about how it’ll all be fine to trade via WTO. Bullshit!

In addition you completely skirt the hundreds of regulatory agreements that we’d fall out of on the 29th March under ‘no deal’. These agreements cover everything from your driving licence validity on the mainland, to aviation licensing, to medicine approvals processes, to the vetinary requirements for the movement of animal products, to nuclear isotopes used in chemotherapy....and much more besides. Literally 45 years of regulatory alignment ending on one day, that cover virtually every aspect of life, and blow hards like you dismiss it all as being somehow irrelevant. Well it’s neither irrelevant nor project fear mk11 it’s fact, we either reach agreement on these hundreds of issues sensibly before we leave, allowing time for new regulatory bodies here, process and procedure to be sorted, or we agree them after we leave in a state of crisis. So the entire premise of ‘no deal’ is false, there’ll have to be a deal on all of these issues

We’ve not even started negotiating a future trade deal yet, so how is the ‘current one on offer’ subservient? You’re throwing around nonsense. Oh and shock, horror, the EU doesn’t want us to have all of the benefits of being in the club, once we’ve resigned and left the club, how awful of them. What a set of mean bullies eh?

 

Oh and as an aside. Virtually the only economist that stands alongside the Brexiteers and paints a picture of sunny uplands in a WTO exit, is Patrick Minford. He’s the go to ‘guru’ of the ERG.

Minford sat in front of a commons select committee and said that our manufacturing and farming industry would be virtually eliminated if we left the EU.

Yet the shadily funded ‘think tanks’ that eminate from 55 Tufton Street, use the discredited model of this former Thatcherite fossil as their ‘proof’ that it’d all be fine, honest. If you want to know what’s really behind Brexit, then follow the money, who’s funding these lobby groups? Who funded Arron Banks? And why?...........

 

Well put....

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You are obviously somebody who is used to being told what to do and finding negatives why changes are not possible. That attitude will get you nowhere except happily remain in servitude.

 

The facts are that misleading sound bites Continue to be peddled by the hard Brexiters... Whilst most concerns raised by the middle ground are based on current reality..
Going without a deal would be the worst possible outcome for years to come..
Just crazy

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So the only response you’ve got to my entire post is some ridiculous ad hominem littered with yet more Brexiteer sound bites. Figures.

You’re nothing but a blow hard, a bloke who’s fallacious arguments have been unpicked like a cheap shiny suit, sold to you as a hand stitched piece of couture by a salesman with a very nice accent.

Mug.

 

You have got yourself rather overexcited, don't worry your carer cannot be very far away.

 

Despite caving into the protesters French President Toy Boy Macron is facing a no confidence vote in the French parliament and further demonstrations planned for this weekend. He is also considering further changes to his reforming tax policies to appease public opinion. He has basically followed the long tradition in France of governments backing down when faced with organised opposition on the streets, usually accompanied by extreme violence.

76% in a recent poll said they were 'dissatisfied' with half saying they were 'totally dissatisfied' of his actions. He seems to have lost the dressing room.

 

Careful because our 'friend' who I again have firmly on ignore.. Gets pleasure in baiting fellow posters when the discussion goes against him.. And then diverts attention elsewhere either to Macron or Corbyn.. What these have in common I fail to see though!

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Typical bitchy sniping from the Tambourine man. You need to grow some.

 

They will be having the biggest meltdown ever when they realise this:-
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1054966/Brexit-news-theresa-may-deal-people-s-vote-second-referendum-EU27?fbclid=IwAR3Fge14ofrM8PfVQw7tUvSyhaJu9-lRxQrxw0w5NhTc985gpOxoKmXd7sk

Will only take another anti-EU leader to give it the 2 fingers and Brexit is done - cannot wait

 

Despite Macron's recent capitulation French intelligence has warned this weekends rioting could result in further deaths and huge destruction.

Macron administration warns of 'great violence' in Paris from hard core 'yellow vests'

 

FREEDOM DAY is just around the corner.