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[Ringo Lion]

Let's cut all the legal crap for a while.
If for what ever reason the British people changed their minds, messers Merkel and Macron would be like hell, and we would of course be welcomed back like naughty boys.
If we had another referendum I would vote for Brexit again, but it would be the last time I voted on anything.

Absolutely the same, I have always voted since I turned 18 even the local council elections where you are lucky to get a 20% turn out, I've always believed that my vote counted, on National elections its around 60% where if the winning party has 30% of the vote it is deemed a 'landslide', yet when 52% of a 72% turnout is ignored you have to say **** 'em all!!

 

[dbc]

Absolutely the same, I have always voted since I turned 18 even the local council elections where you are lucky to get a 20% turn out, I've always believed that my vote counted, on National elections its around 60% where if the winning party has 30% of the vote it is deemed a 'landslide', yet when 52% of a 72% turnout is ignored you have to say **** 'em all!!

If article 50 was revoked by parliament, which technically it could do as the referendum was advisory (but no one really believed that at the time), I would agree with that sentiment. But it would not be undemocratic to have another vote. Not having the ability to change your mind is undemocratic.

It was a close vote with massive ramifications, many of which are only becoming apparent now. If, and it still is a big if, there was a second vote and the country again voted to leave and the politicians didn't carry that out then I would agree with you. But if parliament is deadlocked then it seems that it might be a sensible option to go back to the people to ask them what to do next.

 

[Ringo Lion]

If article 50 was revoked by parliament, which technically it could do as the referendum was advisory (but no one really believed that at the time), I would agree with that sentiment. But it would not be undemocratic to have another vote. Not having the ability to change your mind is undemocratic.

It was a close vote with massive ramifications, many of which are only becoming apparent now. If, and it still is a big if, there was a second vote and the country again voted to leave and the politicians didn't carry that out then I would agree with you. But if parliament is deadlocked then it seems that it might be a sensible option to go back to the people to ask them what to do next.

Percentage wise it was a close vote but the reality is over 1.25 million more voted out which is a lot, the negotiators have dragged their feet for two years, hindered by the whingers undermining them at every turn when they have made small steps forward.
The EU are laughing at us, we should leave with no deal right away, give it a few weeks we'll get a deal on our terms, i'm off to buy a yellow vest and take it to the authorities, no surrender!!!

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

If article 50 was revoked by parliament, which technically it could do as the referendum was advisory (but no one really believed that at the time), I would agree with that sentiment. But it would not be undemocratic to have another vote. Not having the ability to change your mind is undemocratic.

It was a close vote with massive ramifications, many of which are only becoming apparent now. If, and it still is a big if, there was a second vote and the country again voted to leave and the politicians didn't carry that out then I would agree with you. But if parliament is deadlocked then it seems that it might be a sensible option to go back to the people to ask them what to do next.

Don't talk crap,once we are out,5,10 years down the line if the people want to vote on the EU again,fine,but as we have not done what the vote wanted yet,to refuse to honour the vote should see every MP who doesn't respect the vote thrown in prison.

 

[2020VisionofLeeds]

There was never a majority for any specific form of Brexit. As a result, Theresa May has ended up with this dogs dinner, trying to compromise between the various factions of brexiters.

I’m no fan of hers but she has had an impossible task. No one in their right mind would support the deal she’s come up with, very few would support a No Deal Brexit. I don’t know if there’s a majority for a Norway style deal (because why leave if that’s what we are going to). A Canada style deal would leave Ireland unresolved.

For that reason something remarkable like a new referendum on the options will need to happen to break this constitutional crisis.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

There was never a majority for any specific form of Brexit. As a result, Theresa May has ended up with this dogs dinner, trying to compromise between the various factions of brexiters.

I’m no fan of hers but she has had an impossible task. No one in their right mind would support the deal she’s come up with, very few would support a No Deal Brexit. I don’t know if there’s a majority for a Norway style deal (because why leave if that’s what we are going to). A Canada style deal would leave Ireland unresolved.

For that reason something remarkable like a new referendum on the options will need to happen to break this constitutional crisis.

We voted for out,nothing else,and that's what we want,don't know 1 out voter who's changed their mind,only remain idiots that have no idea what they want.

 

[FORZA LEEDS]

There was never a majority for any specific form of Brexit. As a result, Theresa May has ended up with this dogs dinner, trying to compromise between the various factions of brexiters.

I’m no fan of hers but she has had an impossible task. No one in their right mind would support the deal she’s come up with, very few would support a No Deal Brexit. I don’t know if there’s a majority for a Norway style deal (because why leave if that’s what we are going to). A Canada style deal would leave Ireland unresolved.

For that reason something remarkable like a new referendum on the options will need to happen to break this constitutional crisis.

I would say most of the people who voted leave did so on the understanding it would entail a no deal hard Brexit, no divorce settlement, no lengthy transition period, just out, end of, and rightly so

 

[dbc]

I voted for out,nothing else,and that's what I want,don't know 1 out voter who's changed their mind,obviously I have not spoken to a broad range of voters or conducted any form of targeted research polling.

ftfy

 

[2020VisionofLeeds]

We voted for out,nothing else,and that's what we want,don't know 1 out voter who's changed their mind,only remain idiots that have no idea what they want.

Ah, it’s funny because I was about to ask you that. As a Remain voter I know EXACTLY what I want - to Remain in the EU on the current terms, and work within the EU to improve it going forwards.

Now tell me, WHAT DO YOU WANT????? It’s no use just saying ‘OUT’. Do you want Theresa May’s vision of Brexit, a Norway model, a Canada model, or to crash out with no deal at all and trade on WTO terms until new deals are agreed? Which is it? What would Parliament have to do to keep you happy?

Oh and how would you like them to resolve the impasses over Galileo, the N Ireland border, Gibraltar, Fishing rights, security cooperation and all the rest of the unresolved issues?

Take your time, I realise this will need to be a considered response. (Just a tip, you can’t have the Ukrainian model, she charges too much).

 

[Oldsparkey]

Now tell me, WHAT DO YOU WANT????? It’s no use just saying ‘OUT’. Do you want Theresa May’s vision of Brexit, a Norway model, a Canada model, or to crash out with no deal at all and trade on WTO terms until new deals are agreed? Which is it? What would Parliament have to do to keep you happy?

Oh and how would you like them to resolve the impasses over Galileo, the N Ireland border, Gibraltar, Fishing rights, security cooperation and all the rest of the unresolved issues?

Take your time, I realise this will need to be a considered response. (Just a tip, you can’t have the Ukrainian model, she charges too much).

Nor the Macedonian one - he falls over a lot.

 

[dbc]

Ah, it’s funny because I was about to ask you that. As a Remain voter I know EXACTLY what I want - to Remain in the EU on the current terms, and work within the EU to improve it going forwards.

Now tell me, WHAT DO YOU WANT????? It’s no use just saying ‘OUT’. Do you want Theresa May’s vision of Brexit, a Norway model, a Canada model, or to crash out with no deal at all and trade on WTO terms until new deals are agreed? Which is it? What would Parliament have to do to keep you happy?

Oh and how would you like them to resolve the impasses over Galileo, the N Ireland border, Gibraltar, Fishing rights, security cooperation and all the rest of the unresolved issues?

Take your time, I realise this will need to be a considered response. (Just a tip, you can’t have the Ukrainian model, she charges too much).

Oh that one is easy;

We want to walk away paying nothing but still have full market access and no decrease in quality of life.
We want the NHS to be better but not to have any foreign doctors, nursers, porters or cleaners.
We want to be able to retire in France or Spain but again have no immigrants from India or Africa here.
We want to control our own laws and rules accept for the ones that we don't like or from any parties we don't like.

The EU will agree to this because we are GREAT England.

If for some strange reason the EU refuse to accept this we will just ask for it again slower and louder.

If they still refuse to give in and for some strange unknown reason things do not get better we will blame the EU and remainers for not believing hard enough.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

ftfy

Now I see why you want to remain,is that Romanian or Polish.

 

[w.c.dukenfield]

We voted for out,nothing else,and that's what we want,don't know 1 out voter who's changed their mind,only remain idiots that have no idea what they want.

I think most remain idiots like me don't want to be worse off.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Ah, it’s funny because I was about to ask you that. As a Remain voter I know EXACTLY what I want - to Remain in the EU on the current terms, and work within the EU to improve it going forwards.

Now tell me, WHAT DO YOU WANT????? It’s no use just saying ‘OUT’. Do you want Theresa May’s vision of Brexit, a Norway model, a Canada model, or to crash out with no deal at all and trade on WTO terms until new deals are agreed? Which is it? What would Parliament have to do to keep you happy?

Oh and how would you like them to resolve the impasses over Galileo, the N Ireland border, Gibraltar, Fishing rights, security cooperation and all the rest of the unresolved issues?

Take your time, I realise this will need to be a considered response. (Just a tip, you can’t have the Ukrainian model, she charges too much).

96% of Gibraltar voted to remain in the Eu,let them,as an independent country,same with Scotland and N/Ireland,give them a vote,England voted out,give us out,want hard Brexit now.

 

[dbc]

Now I see why you want to remain,is that Romanian or Polish.

Abbreviation - who are coming over here and shortening our words...

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

I think most remain idiots like me don't want to be worse off.

Like general elections M8,you get what the vote gives you,out means out.

 

[dbc]

96% of Gibraltar voted to remain in the Eu,let them,as an independent country,same with Scotland and N/Ireland,give them a vote,England voted out,give us out,want hard Brexit now.

And same for London, Leeds, Oxford, Cambridge, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham as well then.

 

[dbc]

There's a great many more things this government should have been defeated on for their contempt but I guess it's a start

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[lifecheshirewhite]

And same for London, Leeds, Oxford, Cambridge, Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham as well then.

Have you not noticed,I said country's you are on about cities,google the difference as I don't have time to explain the difference to you

 

[dbc]

Government loses again looks like bye-bye hard Brexit

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