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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Ringo Lion

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    I was going to leave it until we win LL but a draw will do for starters!!<laugh> I've had a bit of time off work and when in work it's double busy, which explains my lack of posts.
     
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  2. dbc

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  4. dbc

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    It's not them sticking their nose into internal politics - it's dealing with EU law. It's as potentially damaging to the EU as it basically gives us the right (as it would to any other EU country) to withdraw article 50 then restart the process gaining 2 more years of negotiating time which is why both the EU commission and the UK government had said it could only be withdrawn by unanimous agreement.

    Obviously this would come with a massive pissing off factor and I imagine it's a loophole that would then be withdrawn but in terms of the judgement it may affect internal politics but it's not interfering just interpreting EU law which is why an attempt by the government to stop it being heard was rejected by the UK supreme court. it's affects may be political but it's purely a legal judgement.
     
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  5. LeedsLover

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    Good to have you back ringo......:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  6. LeedsLover

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    It's of interest to a lot of EU countries, Macron is another Merkel who is hating the Brits right now and doesn't want us to leave the EU.

    Looks like he'll eventually get kicked out, or lose the next election. Once Le Penn gets in, it's inevitable she'll try to pull France out the EU, that'll be another brick out of the EU wall.

    All around Europe, and now in Bulgaria, the Nationalists are winning elections, the right are rising and fighting back.
     
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  7. LeedsLover

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    Well 2020, I seem to be doing more youtube trolling that you do, so yes, I've definitely been listening.

    While Trump is putting America first, UK are their biggest Allies, so he has to have some concerns regarding Brexit. He wants a trade deal with UK, which is beneficial to both Countries, at moment T Mays treacherous Brexit deal is stopping it happening.

    Also, bet you your last quid Trump knows all about what's happening with the Brexit deal, on, and under table.
     
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  8. 2 pennth

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    As I say interpret it which ever way you want.
     
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    Love him or hate him, at least he is putting his country first. His biggest problem is he just dosn't know when to keep his trap shut, like a lot of politicians.
     
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  10. LeedsLover

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    Actually that's not quite accurate,

    "On 29 March 2017, the EU Commission stated "It is up to the United Kingdom to trigger Article 50. But once triggered, it cannot be unilaterally reversed. Notification is a point of no return. Article 50 does not provide for the unilateral withdrawal of notification".

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  11. dbc

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    I'll bet you your last quid that Trump doesn't understand **** all



     
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  12. LeedsLover

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    Putting his country first is the responsibility of any country's leader, we agree on that.

    Some don't like Trump cos he's different to previous American Presidents. He says it like it is, and won't be dominated or controlled by other countries, Nato or the EU.

    Obama's job was to weaken the USA and it's military, Hillary Clinton's job was to eventually destroy the USA allowing the Dems, and the NWO to take control.

    Trump is pulling America out of the swampy pit that Obama purposely put'em in.

    Gitmo's been refurbished, and the Military guard increased.
     
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    Yes and the UK government have said it can not be reversed but legally the ECJ have just said it can. Hence the point of the court case and hence everything I just wrote in that post....
     
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  14. LeedsLover

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    You know nothing dbc, you just like to debunk me, which means you ignore, and miss a lot of stuff.
     
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  15. LeedsLover

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    But the EU commission said it can't, therefore, the EU commission must some how over ride itself.

    Then there's Parliament, Article 50 has been set down and filed in UK law. Can't reverse it unless the law is changed.
     
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    Parliaments/governments create law. The courts and judiciary enact and interpret law. Basic politics 101.

    So the EU commission had an interpretation of whether Article 50 could be revoked and the ECJ have just told them that it's not a correct interpretation. (and yes this is a simplification as at present this is currently an opinion from the Advocate General and not yet a judgement)

    Yes legislation was required to trigger Article 50 and yes legislation would be required to reverse it.
     
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    The AG also said "SHOULD" not can.

    He also went on to say a Prime Minister cannot revoke Article 50, but must seek permission from the UK MP's; we knew that any way.

    Article 50 cannot be revoked in UK as it's set down in law. In order for Article 50 to be revoked in UK, it needs a law change, this means treason and a dictatorship by any MP's who manage too "by trying to find a loophole" to revoke Article 50.

    However, this would play into the hands of Labour, meaning they will no doubt vote against T Mays Brexit deal.
     
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    Actually got that wrong as the opinion does state "The principles of good faith and sincere cooperation must also be observed, in order to prevent abuse of the procedure laid down in Article 50 TEU." In other words, the UK must want to cancel Brexit, not just improve its negotiation position.
     
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    Let's cut all the legal crap for a while.
    If for what ever reason the British people changed their minds, messers Merkel and Macron would be :emoticon-0141-whew:<diva>:emoticon-0136-giggl like hell, and we would of course be welcomed back like naughty boys.
    If we had another referendum I would vote for Brexit again, but it would be the last time I voted on anything.<steam>
     
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  20. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    Try banging your head against a wall
     
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