Off Topic UK / EU Future

Just follow the road signs to Narnia

 

Is that one not being blocked by rioters?

 

An interesting article on why Macron is seen as out of touch with the general public after halving tax for the top earners. Also why most in rural French areas are anti EU. Italy is on the brink with its recklessly spending government, Spain is reeling with severe separatist issues and now France tearing itself apart, Europe is looking a very unattractive partner to be too close with.


DOMINIC LAWSON: Why it's hard not to gloat at the travails of the strutting French president who called Brexiteers liars

 

The next ten days will confirm that this whole mess is nothing to do with what is the right thing for the country, but all about trying to keep the Tory party warring factions apart, and massaging the ego of the PM. Let us remember that she boasted she would obtain a bespoke deal for the UK, with all the benefits of still being in the EU, without any of the obligations. If reports that Olly Robbins warned her about what she was agreeing to are correct, then given her stance that she would get a deal, she would have signed up, even if it was far worse. She really cannot blame others for leaving it to the last minutes as it was her who wasted weeks with her general election. If the Robbins reports are true, it also blows away the idea that you can blame civil servants, and she will have to shoulder all the blame from those who oppose what she has brought back.

 

I'm sure she was fatally influenced by 'remainer' civil servants and Hammond but the backstop fiasco is clearly down to her. She should resign when her 'deal' is rejected by parliament and be replaced by a proper Brexiteer who is more in tune with the decision of the British people in the 2016 referendum.

 

I'm not sure about it being decided in the next ten days Frenchie - there are a lot of signs around that Parliament could vote twice on this if May loses the first time around. For this they do allow second votes ! An initial 'no' vote could send the pound crumbling during the 'cooling down' period between votes leading to a different set of circumstances for the second.

 

You may well be right on the possibility of a second vote. Maybe by then the immigration bill will also be available which is a vital part of the whole exercise, but seeing as the MPs have been waiting for the government to agree that for two years, I am not holding my breathe.

 

A good proportion must’ve passed on by now... Should their wishes still be considered relevant?

 

The French government has gone the way of all previous administrations and capitulated to pressure from rioters demonstrating against tax rises and Macron's tenure. This will just reinforce the view that aggression and violence on the streets is a substitute for a democratically elected government, not a good policy in the long term. This does not bode well for France's desperately required reforms becoming reality.

 

Yes

 

I refer the Right Honourable gentleman to the question I raised as to respecting those who have largely passed on who voted for Labour in 1945, and its administration that founded the NHS etc.

 

Will Conservative activists be allowed to dig up the recently deceased and drive them to the voting booths? A practice that is not that far removed from reality.

 

What did we learn from Westminster yesterday? For a start, the government is prepared to ignore the will of Parliament, and hence ignore the will of the people. That is not democracy. For once I found myself agreeing with Mogg, that the MPs have supremacy over the government.
We also found out that the freedoms to control money, laws and borders are all hollow promises. It became obvious that this government is not fit for purpose and should go. Why keep saying that you will do something, when you admit you are not going to? This is no longer about the will of the people, but keeping this minority government in power.

 

The original vote was only ever about a party clinging to power. Wielding the power is more important to them than using that power in the interests of the country. Despite what the gammon AG says.

 

The problem is not the government but a few of the leading lights that happen to be remainers trusted with pursuing a policy decided by a democratic decision which they did not truly believe in. The civil service has also contributed to the subservient position we currently find ourselves in. As we now know much more about the deal the real mistake was May agreeing to the unacceptable backstop this time last year just to be seen to be making progress.

Changing the government to a Marxist led regime would be a recipe for disaster, that really would make the UK much poorer.

 

No, the trouble is that people were told that they could pick and choose which bits they liked and wanted to keep and discard the bits that they didn't like. This was never an option, but expectations led by vocal people such as Johnson who was only interested in his own prospects fooled many who wanted something different in their lives. We can see that as the truth has slowly come out, more and more are saying they do not wish to go down the road that the government are taking them, and those who still wish to leave are retracting many of the earlier promises that they made. Now that we know that we can withdraw Article 50 without the consent of the other 27 nations, it would be the best thing to do, and let Parliament regroup after an election. If the people chose to go down the road of reelecting the present government, fair enough, but who can trust them to actually make a fist of running the country?

 

We always knew the EU would attempt to make the UK leaving as painful as possible to warn off other dissatisfied members from leaving. This bullying tactic is no reason to capitulate but just reinforces the eurocrats desire the control Europe from Brussels. Remainers who have failed to accept the democratic process, decided by parliament, will use any excuse the thwart the will of the people.

Both leavers and the EU apparently prefer a Canada ++ type of deal. We need to leave properly then trade on the most advantages terms to suit both the UK and the EU. The EU has much to lose by taking an aggressive stance as outlined yesterday by the chief of Airbus pointing out the damaging loss of UK involvement in the Galileo project will endanger EU security.

 

http://britainelects.com/polling/europe/

'The Will of the People'

 

Parliament overwhelmingly decided the UK's membership of the European Union should be decided by a referendum in 2016. This was duly carried out, the result was the will of the people. For our democratic integrity the result must be respected.

 

So they will do something the people don't want? If the result was 52-48 to stay, your lot would never have shut up about it. We had a referendum when we joined, yet you lot never let go and kept up moaning for 20+ years.

With the recent ECJ decision that we can reverse Article 50 we may not even have a Brexit at all

Let's see if you stop bringing it up then.