Off Topic Politics Thread

Why is it a cheap shot?
Are you saying that the Mail isn’t tax dodging?
Why bring up the Guardian? I don’t read that either, and if it is tax dodging it should be hammered just as every other tax dodger should be hammered.

 

I have no idea if the Mail is or isn't.............and I agree hammer both of them and all the others.......although we know that won't happen because no matter who is in charge the system is setup for all the big money globalists to do as they please and pay what tax they want wherever they want.

 

Explain to me why voting to leave an organisation that I have been hoping to since the publication of the Lisbon treaty makes me one of those three characters? fortunately I am not any of those. There seems to be a lot of stereo-typing unfortunately. I'm sure you are of fine character, but isn't it a Shame you are arbitrarily assuming that anybody that does not share your opinion is less so?

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I would be happy to have a second vote. It seems to me the only way to put this to bed.

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The ATAD will help with all that, as long as we stay in the EU.

 

So St Badger didn’t take a cheap shot then?

 

You think a second vote will put this to bed? Second vote or not. Deal or leave with no deal. Cancel the whole thing and remain. Whatever happens, we’ve right totally ****ed this up and we’re going to pay.

 

Just seemed a goto sentiment to point to the Mail as if it wee any different than the others. Why put "tax dodging" in there unless the others are clean?

Or should I expect from now to see a pre-fix of "tax dodging" every time someone types google, facebook........virtually every company and rich person in the country?

 

New poll out tomorrow by COMRes.

Apparently we don't want May's deal. We don't want no deal. We don't want to be a full EU member. We don't want a second referendum. Hmmm:




https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/daily-express-voting-intention-and-brexit-poll-2018/

 

I’m right then

 

Indeed. Despite the rantings of the nutters in the ERG, we're always has a bigger say than we should have in Europe. We were well regarded for our diplomatic clout and we rarely failed to get what we wanted - it's hard to name a time when Britain was railroaded into something at all important that we didn't want to do. Schengen, Euro, Social Chapter, Security and Justice - we had our way when we wanted it.

However, this debacle has destroyed all those years of patient diplomacy. Even if there's a referendum and we end up staying, the damage to our reputation within Europe will last for years.

Vin

 

Or, from the same people, a summary of Remain/Leave polls:

 

If 50% state they oppose a second referendum then there isn't scope for it unless you think support can scoop up all of the "don't knows" and swing some that oppose it.

Yes you are right.

 

You didn’t get my post properly did you? I wasn’t calling for a second vote.

 

I know. You were saying that no-one can agree on anything. There is no consensus other than nothing that is on the table at the moment (including being a full member of the EU) can get a consensus*

*based on the latest poll which as Vin points out is different to the other ones. Which is down to the question asked I would guess.

Remain/Leave gets a different result from "remaining a full member."

So does that mean that people are fine with "remaining a member" but don't support "remaining a full member"

Looks like default to me

 

No I wasn’t saying that at all. I was saying that what ever happens now, we’ve ****ed it up.

 

So, as long as the ballot paper for the second referendum reads:

1. Remain a member of the world’s second largest economy with a full say in future policy and no pressure to adopt any legislation we don’t like.
OR
2. Condemn the UK to economic and social catastrophe which will last for at least 50 years.

we should be fine then.

 

I wouldn't put it past our MPs to approve the second option to be on the ballot paper just as you have worded it. Seeing as those pretending to be actioning a leave vote are actually handing the reigns over to the EU.

Much more likely to put:

1:Remain
OR
2:Remain

Then just call it a printing error.

 

Also stockpiling processed food and medical supplies as part of "no deal planning". As somebody said on another site;

"You know you're heading for a golden age of unprecedented economic growth and importance on the diplomatic stage, when "stockpiling food and medical supplies" is the government's concern. Oddly enough... this are also the required actions when you're facing a massive scale disaster."

 

And yet you still vote Tory. Had you not noticed they are the rich people’s party? Of that half their grandees, David Cameron included, hold considerable assets offshore?