1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Daily Racing Thread Sunday Dec. 2nd. 2018

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by attivo, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    4,775
    Likes Received:
    3,357
    Mares Hurdle probably. Scandalous given her talent but that's what happens when the festival races are diluted.
     
    #21
    OddDog likes this.
  2. gazboy

    gazboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    2,313
    Likes Received:
    952
    Good to see Mr Ryanair admit he's an idiot <badger><badger><badger>
     
    #22
  3. jumpsfan

    jumpsfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2018
    Messages:
    1,626
    Likes Received:
    417
    yeah,shes just incredible!! what a turn of foot,spectacular.

    fairyhouse,3 10:

    a wide open contest,but i think,BLAZER has a good profile for this race.still quite unexposed,and his galway hurdle form is working out really well.so can run a big race.e w value
     
    #23
  4. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    I do worry about the lack of opposition for Buveur D'Air though - could be a walkover at this rate. O'Leary said they will stay hurdling with Samcro as he is the best hurdler they have. I think Apples Jade just showed he is talking bollocks. I hope they send her to the Champion Hurdle.

    I wonder whether they are tempted to revert to hurdling with Min? He split Altior and Buveur D'Air in the Supreme and I think it is already obvious he is no match for the best chasers around. Might be something to ponder ....................
     
    #24
    mallafets123 and Chaninbar like this.
  5. gazboy

    gazboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2011
    Messages:
    2,313
    Likes Received:
    952
     
    #25
    karlos5001 and OddDog like this.
  6. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,973
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Nil
     
    #26
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
  7. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    Yes Samcro was clearly better yesterday than Apples Jade today .................... <laugh>
    Keep taking the medicine.
     
    #27
    stick likes this.
  8. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,220
    Likes Received:
    1,389
    More likely to take on Benie Des Dieux in the mares and regain that crown. She wasn't the same horse last season.

    I believe Samcro can go very close in the Champion Hurdle...I think come March will be ridden very differently at a track that will play more to his strengths.. I couldn't believe how they rode him at Newcastle... no pace and surely they should have made it a better test of stamina? Come March that will I m sure be the case...
     
    #28
  9. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    I thought they would have tried to set better fractions from the off yesterday, knowing Samcro's stamina is an asset. I just do not see him having gears - Buveur D'Air came to him on the snaff yesterday and just changed gears and was gone. For me he has 3 mile chaser written all over him and they are wasting a season with this Champion Hurdle bid. But they pay the bills and make their choices so fair play to them.
     
    #29
    Ste D and Chaninbar like this.
  10. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    It took a while for the penny to drop but Envoi Allen did it nicely in the end. Plenty more to come there and Cheveley Park certainly have some nice horses for the winter.
     
    #30

  11. CaptainPops

    CaptainPops Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    2,220
    Likes Received:
    1,389
    BVD the obvious likely winner of the Champion hurdle but if it comes up soft or soft/heavy in places, plus different riding tactics it will make it very interesting.
     
    #31
  12. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    Agreed he is the most likely winner but I want to see something come out and give him a race. It is going to be a long winter otherwise.
     
    #32
  13. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,973
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Nil
     
    #33
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
  14. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,973
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Nil
     
    #34
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
  15. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2011
    Messages:
    28,550
    Likes Received:
    10,536
    Buveur D'Air deserves all the respect and credit in the world BUT I really do want something to emerge to give him a real challenge as I feel that would help cement his greatness. I know he can only beat what is put in front of him, but if you look at what he has been beating since going back over hurdles it really isn't that impressive - Melon, MIck Jazz, The New One, MTOY, Irving etc are no world beaters. Hopefully something will emerge between now and March, otherwise I feel it could be a very boring Champion Hurdle (speaking as a racing fan).
     
    #35
  16. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,973
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Nothing is likely to emerge though. Sometimes you have to accept the situation for what it is and try to use it to your advantage.

    For all that Istabraq was considered a legend, he didn't ply his trade against great horses either.

    Istabraq had three Champion Hurdle wins and they were rated 174, 171 and 170 on Racing Post Ratings. Buveur D'air was rated 173 for a cosy win over Samcro yesterday, so who is to say he could not have won the three renewals that Istabraq did?

    I thank as fans, that we tend to get more sentimental about the older champions and perhaps see them in a better light than the cold, hard form tells us on deeper analysis.

    Someone compared Buveur D'air to last season when he hosed up in the Fighting Fifth but only won narrowly at Cheltenham. There is no real comparison because he was 1/6 Fav in the Fighting Fifth last year but not even favourite this time.

    Apples Jade got a narrow PB from the Racing Post on ratings today. It was a 1 lb better than her previous best but Supasundae was given as running 16 lbs below his best figure today and Limini ran to 18 lbs below her best in third place. With runs so poor, I always take the view that it is possible they actually ran a few pound worse still and that perhaps the winner has actually scored impressively without actually running any better than CLOSE to their best.

    Wide margin winners is an area I tend to avoid. The average punter is beguiled by seeing horses hose up and poor value is normally automatically factored into the price of such winners in forthcoming events.

    It's a serious concern for me that Apples Jade has simply not been trained and targeted like a true 2 mile hurdler. Going and Distance are the two factors that horses get found out by time after time and they are the starting points for me in analysing any race.
     
    #36
  17. stick

    stick Bumper King

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Messages:
    18,605
    Likes Received:
    11,028
    “the average punter” <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
    #37
    StretchForTheLine likes this.
  18. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,973
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Nil
     
    #38
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
  19. stick

    stick Bumper King

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Messages:
    18,605
    Likes Received:
    11,028
    I think someone called me egotistical on this forum earlier in the week when I was getting a character assassination

    Anyway, it’s good to know that your credentials are so impeccable. I continue to be a devoted reader.
     
    #39
  20. rudebwoy

    rudebwoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    4,479
    Likes Received:
    2,679
    you're being generous there , mug punters yes , but if you are anyway curious / engaged a different perspective is easy , does need discipline and patience though , which for many is unattainable .
    in my town there are a few regulars in the shops who you would class as shrewd , the bulk fall into the fodder category.
    On here though the demographic is very different , i'd say it's the other way round .....
     
    #40
    Grendel likes this.

Share This Page