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Well can I suggest you try to listen to what someone says in the future rather than a biased journalist' s edited soundbite taken out of context usually in order to make it fit with what his viewers like to hear. I admit nothing about the first one because I didn't listen to it at the time in full. I read the same snippets that you did in a variety of newspapers and guess what? My take on what he said varied completely according to who reported it. Strange for a man with such contempt for the political middle class that you are not a bit more skeptical about what you read and your lack of acceptance of the fact that for every 10 second soundbite taken from a speech that lasts over an hour can easily be manipulated by the masters of the dark arts in Fleet Street and Whitehall into something reported was not the whole of what was said..
What I got from listening to him this morning is the man's clear knowledge of the proper limits of his own opinion and respect for democratic decision- making process
I am now hearing that Barnier (remember him no more change to deal) is now offering more time in hope for a softer Brexit.....as some have been saying for some time now, they will cave in if we stay strong. We just need to shut up the enemy within who are giving us a bad hand.
I wouldn’t worry yourself too much mate, we ain’t leaving anyway so you lot can all continue your EU love in many years to come
I live in hope.
You are hugely entertaining in all this. 'Offering more time' in La La land = 'Caving in as some (you primarily) have been saying for sometime now'. Jump on your straw- there's only been one massive desert island you've been within wading distance of so far.Looks more like a case of Marquess of Queensbury rules of boxing. He's not throwing any more punches until we've picked ourselves up off the canvas and the ref has told him he can finish us off
You can suggest all you like. Like I can suggest you admit that Mark Carneys prediction of doom and gloom straight after the referendum result was in fact bollox.......but you won’t will you ?
If you think he’s great then fine......many like me don’t.
I have been hearing all the worst case scenarios on radio and tv
Are there any best case scenarios around or are they the same
Are there any best case scenarios around or are they the same
There was no doom and gloom straight after Brexit ? We have had two years of it plus he was again saying when we leave the EU
Show me one economist who thinks Brexit is good
Economists are not Brexiteers
Exactly still waiting for a Brexiteer to spell out a best case scenario... they can’t their argument is flawed completely
Being British is a best case scenario we will always be that
We can’t afford to control our borders now
And there you have it. Come up with a fact and you shut down the debate. Democracy at work
If you are seriously saying that Carnys predictions before the vote (that are well documented) were in fact correct then I really don’t know where we can go with it.
Osborne and Carney were not absolutely wrong in their predictions - the economy has demonstrably suffered from the Leave vote, even before we get round to actually leaving - but they were guilty of overestimating the immediate effects of the vote. The difference now is that forecasters are looking at real post-Brexit circumstances rather than just the potential impacts of negative market sentiment and business confidence after the vote.
The 20 something % drop in the value of the £ against the $ and other currencies after the vote was pretty immediate.
I do like this thread and I honestly do get some interesting opinions from both sides (hasn’t changed mine of course).....but sometimes it just seems we are going round in circles.
Both sides ain’t gonna change their minds I’m guessing (in here anyway)
Both sides ain’t gonna change their minds I’m guessing (in here anyway)
Their predictions were remarkably accurate in some areas if you look at the 'shock scenario' forecast about the peak impact of a leave vote within two years [1]:
- Sterling exchange rate - they forecast at 12% fall - it ended up at around 10% down
- CPI inflation rate - they forecast +2.3 - 0.8 in June 2016, 2.8 in Sep 2018 (so +2)
- GDP - they forecast -3.6% - fallen from 2.3% in 2015 to about 1.3% this year, while other G7 countries have grown quickly, dropping us from top performing economy in the G7, to lowest. Not quite as accurate as CPI and XE predictions, but in context of the rate of increased growth elsewhere, a partially successful forecast
They were very wrong in other ways, particularly on unemployment, which has a knock on impact to their forecast on public sector net borrowing, also wrong.
However, this idea that Carney et al were spectacularly wrong with 'project fear' is clearly nonsense. It's propagated by those who simply don't want to engage in the economic arguments as a convenient get out clause.
If you want to have some fun, look at the forecasts from the 'Economists For Brexit' group from before the referendum...
[1] Which you can see in full in the HMT publication 'The immediate economic impact of leaving the UK' if you wish
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These are the sort of posts I was referring to recently. You give a correct piece of information and you have this as a response. However I should realise that it comes from mr deluded remoaner himself. How’s your peoples vote going.
Looks more like a case of Marquess of Queensbury rules of boxing. He's not throwing any more punches until we've picked ourselves up off the canvas and the ref has told him he can finish us off
Honestly we do get some on here.