How can you now believe ‘carnage’? They continually get things wrong. It’s like watching the SS fanatics last stand in Berlin.
People seem to conveniently forget that the vote to leave did have an actual negative impact - the pound tumbled and we went from being the fastest growing economy in the G7 to the slowest. There are huge numbers of examples of companies choosing to move jobs abroad too. Hardly like remain have a monopoly on being wrong too. Anyone remember being told how easy it would be to get a deal done?
Funny you mention companies leaving from city... only 5 days ago the news said that actually the city had taken on more staff and that they couldn’t name a major company that has moved. They went on to say that, yes they have opened up offices in the EU and put a few staff in but they main offices were all in UK. Funnily we were told all companies would leave for Frankfurt and Paris. This has not happened.
I thought snowflake was a term used to describe people who take offence too easily. That'd be you lot then, surely?
I think what many remainers fail to realise is that an awful lot of people didn't vote leave for economic reasons. Like myself, many voted on a principle concerning sovereignty. It was a political vote.
Be good to at least have some economic predictions or even solutions from a Brexiteer Their entire stance on here is Dismiss everything anyone is saying re any potential pitfall Offer nothing in the of a plan going forward after Brexit Moan about everything You got it wrong ... very wrong
We got it right, very right. The ruling elite have ****ed it up and lied and betrayed. Anyway, I sense a bout of going around in circles again! Back to watching the champions league.
I agree a lot of people did see sovereignty as a main reason unfortunately imo these people hadn’t noticed that we sold out a long time ago I sympathise with this 100% To claim back a principle is honourable but we are not Germany and a rebuild is out of the question Why? We are divided plus most sold out individually a long time ago I state again generally you couldn’t get a cul de sac to put on a boot sale without argument and division. I maintain the culture is shot to ****e
You are absolutely correct on this point - the available research indicates that most leavers voted based on two reasons, immigration and sovereignty. My post was simply in response to those claiming experts (including Osborne and Carney) were all wrong, and that there was no negative economic impact post-vote. There was. And likely will be further once we actually leave. Whether people actually care (at least while it's still theory) is an entirely separate, but good, question.
Hi Ellers - took me about five minutes of research to come up with the following list: HSBC moved 1,000 jobs from London Paris Lloyd's of London moved 100 jobs from London to Brussels and the EU HQ from London to Dublin Barclays moved 150 jobs from London to Dublin, also moving EU HQ Bank of America moving HQ from London to Dublin UBS moving unspecified number "under 1,000" from London to EU offices EMA - 890 jobs, moving from London to Amsterdam European Banking Authority - 180 jobs - London to Paris Unilever - Announced new joint HQ in Amsterdam Most of this comes from the Press Association. You can dismiss this as a "few staff" if you like, but these are very well paid jobs, that would have been contributing a lot to HMT. Further, this is all happening before we actually leave. I also suspect that just like my own company, many others will have moved jobs out of the UK but tried to keep it from reaching the press under pressure to try and stay neutral in the debate. To deny that this is having any sort of economic impact I think is a bit of a stretch. I think Col raises the more interesting (and to my mind appropriate) question however, as to whether those that voted to leave will actually care about this impact, or if it's seen as a price worth paying for regaining sovereignty. I guess time will tell!
Errrrr.....haven’t we already agreed to the fact that Osborne and Carney we’re wrong in their earlier predictions ?
So basically you are agreeing with what I said. No major company has got up and moved lock stock. Companies move staff around all the time. I bet if you went back 5 years ago you may come up with the same information. Companies will adapt to circumstances and most have but the threat of loads of companies going (funnily a couple on here said the same) was wrong. I notice that no one mentions all the new jobs created in the city either.
No, that's exactly the point I'm arguing against in my earlier posts...they exaggerated, but weren't entirely incorrect. In the same way the leave side exaggerated how easy it would be to leave. So to dismiss all economic arguments now based on them being wrong seems a little OTT
Just to be clear, what's your definition of "moved lock stock" if moving an HQ out of the UK doesn't count? You mean move every member of staff out of the country and close up shop?!
I'm sure there may be some economic problems post brexit. Must be inevitable. However, I refute project fear, trying to claim what might happen years and years ahead.
