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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    May's deal, No deal, No Brexit with a transferable second choice. Of course, by the time it happened, May's deal would be dead, so maybe insert Norway.
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Leo Varadkar says there will be no hard border with NI if a no-deal Brexit occurs.
    . If no hard border is necessary on no-deal, why is one necessary on a deal?



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    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said the Government is not contemplating a hard border on the island of Ireland in the event of a rejection of the draft Brexit withdrawal deal.
    Speaking on RTÉ's The Week in Politics, Mr Varadkar said the focus remained on getting the deal ratified, but he added that a difficult conversation with the EU would have to take place if the UK parliament votes it down.
    He said that while the Government will have "a listening ear" towards the UK government with regards to the future relationship declaration, this will not extend to the 585-page withdrawal agreement, which he said has been "agreed already by the UK government and by negotiators".

    Speaking later on RTÉ Radio's This Week programme, Mr Varadkar said: "If we get the future relationship right, we may never need to invoke the backstop. Prime Minister Theresa May described it very well this morning as to why an insurance policy couldn't have a unilateral exit clause."
    The Taoiseach said it was always going to be difficult for Mrs May to get her deal through.
    "Politics in Britain is very divided, the country is still divided roughly 50/50 on whether they want to leave the European Union at all, and even if there was a second referendum what would the question be, would it be on 'remain or leave' or would it be 'deal or no deal'.
    "They're in a very difficult situation, sadly it's a situation they've put themselves in."


    Meanwhile, Mrs May has said that the next seven days "are going to be critical" and she will be travelling back to Brussels to talk to figures including Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Commission.
    Speaking on Sky News, Mrs May said "nothing's agreed until everything is agreed".
    "These next seven days are going to be critical, they are about the future of this country," she added.
    Mrs May defended her Brexit deal, saying that the EU originally wanted to offer the UK an "off-the-shelf deal".
    "We fought that, we stood our ground, we said no, we're the UK, actually we can have a better more ambitious relationship with you," she said.
    "It took time but they have come round to that, they said yes, we'll agree a more ambitious relationship with the UK than we at first thought we could give you."
    Mrs May dismissed suggestions that the Irish backstop represented a "Hotel California" Brexit - from which you could never leave.
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    She said the backstop is an "insurance policy", adding: "Both sides can say yes we agree that there are arrangements in place, that a deal that provides for the people of Northern Ireland and therefore that backstop is no longer necessary."
    Mrs May said that as far as she was aware, a formal challenge to her leadership had not yet gained enough support to trigger a confidence vote.
    "As far as I know, no, it has not," Mrs May told Sky News, when asked if the threshold had been met for a formal leadership contest.
    To trigger a contest, 48 MPs from her Conservative Party must submit letter to the chairman of the committee in charge of leadership contests.
    Asked whether she had considered quitting, Mrs May said: "No I haven't.
    "Of course it has been a tough week, actually these negotiations have been tough right from the start, but they were always going to get even more difficult right toward the end when we are coming to that conclusion."

    Meanwhile, speaking on the same programme, British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn said his party cannot support the draft withdrawal agreement.
    Mr Corbyn said Mrs May has not got majority support and needs to renegotiate.
    He said Mrs May's Brexit deal was a "one-way agreement" in which the EU "calls all the shots".
    "We'll vote against this deal because it doesn't meet our tests. We don't believe it serves the interest of this country, therefore the Government have to go back to the EU and renegotiate rapidly.
    "There's 500 pages in this document much of which is quite vague, where's the guarantee on environmental protections, where's the guarantee on consumer protections, where's the guarantee on workers' rights?"
    The Labour leader also revealed that he believed another referendum was "an option for the future" and "not an option for today".
    Asked if he would support Remain in a second referendum, he said: "I don't know how I am going to vote, what the options would be at that time."
    Elsewhere, Britain's former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said has said that Mrs May's Brexit deal was fatally flawed but she could still change course.

    Mr Raab, who resigned on Thursday saying he could not support the deal, said he would back Mrs May if there was a confidence vote and that talk of a leadership challenge was distracting when the government should be focussed on delivering Brexit.
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    The only problem with your answer Stroller is that the only way there would be another vote (which I doubt will ever happen) is if May's deal is rejected so it wouldn't actually be on the ballot.
     
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    Well as I said, insert Norway then.
     
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    The EU took 38 minutes to agree to Theresa May's deal.
    That was one minute to agree and 37 minutes of "You are ****ting me, THIS is your deal?
    You're f+cking joking!
    Where'd you want us to put the lube?"
    (And then mostly laughing and lining up to have a go.)
     
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    Obscene isn't it. How many of our patriotic reps have refused to take the salaries and expenses? And how many of them will invest those parts of their consolidated pensions funds in to our national coffers to pay at least a fraction of the cash we've had to pay in over the years to be members and therefore needed them to represent us.
     
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    Revealed: Theresa May 'blocked asylum application from Pakistani Christian' locked up for blasphemy despite UK playing host to hijackers, extremists and rapists

    https://t.co/wZsq2QQd5g
     
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    The difference is they are on the streets to get the twat out of power
    Good on them
     
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  12. kiwiqpr

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    Macron warns Britain will be FORCED into the Irish border 'backstop' if it does not give the French access to UK #fishing waters as he says he has 'leverage'
     
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    No time for a new deal
    They have always known that a pressure point will change the average Brexiteer

    It was a protest vote so they just need to weaken that up and it slips away into Anglo Saxon moaning Remember we haven’t seen any Brexiteers on the streets yet maybe we will now?

    No time to get organised

    The surge for a second vote has to come
    It reunites the country job done

    Beautiful theatre albeit in my mind
     
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  14. ELLERS

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    I heard the little Euro freak said:
    The Guardian
    Emmanuel Macron has said the UK will be trapped in a customs union after Brexit unless Downing Street offers European fishermen full access to British waters during the coming trade negotiations.

    He really is pushing his luck for someone who is nearly the most hated leader in French history. He won't make a second term (thank god). The French aren't doing too well under him and he is now trying, like Spain to take attention off his crap leadership.
    What makes me laugh is Macron and Merkel will be gone from office in the coming years.
     
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    Bloody hell Jezza better start working out what he wants as she will make him look a bigger dick than usual.
     
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    Here is a sneak preview of the new 50p coin to mark May's betrayal of the nation
     
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    What an absolute tool Macron is.
     
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    Great morning Britain a great day for the old blame culture
    Beautiful here in France
    2nd week of the yellow coat protests around here
    Have to say I totally admire them 100%

    Meanwhile back in the UK someone moaned to his mate
     
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    Agree, he'll try to blackmail the UK if May's deal goes ahead. But this also shows what a useless and naive negotiator Theresa May is. The sooner she's gone the better
     
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