Don't think it's a case of people getting what they deserve. That's a bit ridiculous. Nobody is a winner in this whole farce and it seems, sadly to have become a win/lose scenario.
Agree, and staying in the EU would be the same. I believe in my country and know how resilient it can be, Deal/crap deal/no deal we will bounce back and things will move on. What we do need though is to bring this whole thing to an end.
You see this is where I struggle. 'I believe in my country' statements are just empty sound bites. When it's governed by a set of first class cretins, then it becomes even more silly. Resilience generally comes down to the people of the country and its always the poorest who have to be the most resilient!
This paper is an interesting analysis on some of the available data as to why people voted the way they did: http://csi.nuff.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Carl_Reasons_Voting.pdf The reason with the highest average rank for voting leave was immigration*. That said, regaining control over lawmaking was a very close second, effectively neck-and-neck. This is by no means conclusive proof of why people voted the way they did, but it is at least slightly more evidential than some of the assertions flying around on the topic. *Just four options were put to respondents, which I think is the clear weakness of this study. It's also retrospective, which is worth bearing in mind.
That's not a fair comment. Just because you think it's an 'empty soundbite' doesn't mean the rest of us do. You cannot possibly tell what a country means to someone else, and just calling it a soundbite is another ill-informed comment. I am proud of my country...get over it. Don't confuse the 'cretins' as you call them with being proud of a nation. Two different things. You don't have to support a government to be proud of the country. Are you proud of the staff of the NHS or Army? If yes, then they are the sort of things that should make people proud of our country. Last week I went over to France and saw thousands of graves of British soldiers who fought and gave up their lives for this country so that we could be free. Are you saying you are not proud of them? Did they give up their lives for nothing? As for your 'Poorest' bit? WTF! did you mix up two different posts... actually make it three.
With respect mate, the pride I have in my country has absolutely nothing to do with the cretins who currently inhabit parliament and could never, ever be described as a "soundbite".
I don't doubt your pride Col. I described believing in a country as a soundbite. In my opinion it is. There is no substance to the statement. Believe in what exactly? It has nothing to do with questioning someone's pride so please don't take offence.
I think you misinterpretate the opinion I gave Ellers. By 'cretins' I meant the government and politicians. I never once mentioned the word proud or pride. I gave an opinion on 'I believe in my country'. You can feel free to elaborate if you choose or not as the case may be, but to me it's just an empty statement with no substance.
Siri what's the best way to push people to political extremes? Siri: promise people their vote will be implemented & respected. Then mock them for 3 years, question their intelligence, erase their identity & finally at the very last moment, invalidate their vote completely.
Eurozone in CRISIS: Euro area growth forecast SLASHED – OECD EUROZONE growth forecast has slipped, falling from nearly 2.0 percent this year to an expected 1.6 percent in 2020, according to new figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). By Levi Winchester PUBLISHED: 10:33, Wed, Nov 21, 2018 | UPDATED: 12:06, Wed, Nov 21, 2018 0 please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image please log in to view this image 0 The global economy has suffered as a whole from trade tensions and higher interest rates, with the OECD forecasting slower global growth. It is predicted global growth would slow from 3.7 percent this year to 3.5 percent in 2019 and 2020. This is down on a previous projection of 3.7 percent for 2019. In Britain, the OECD forecast growth would rise from 1.3 percent this year to 1.4 percent in 2019, up from an estimate of 1.2 percent in September. However, the good news for the economic outlook might not last long as growth is forecast to fall back to 1.1 percent after a peak in 2019, the OECD said. The OECD went on to urge the government to be prepared to respond if the economy weakened significantly due to Brexit. The Italian economy was seen slowing more than previously expected despite the expansionary budget which has sparked fury among EU chiefs. The OECD forecast Italian growth at only 1.0 percent this year, lingering at 0.9 percent in 2019 and 2020, as stalled job creation and higher inflation eroded the boost from the budget stimulus. ) We’re returning to the long-term trend Laurence Boone, OECD chief economist Despite the gloomy global forecast, the OECD maintained there are no signs of a sharp downturn for now. The OECD cut its outlook for countries at risk from the effects of rising US interest rates, including Brazil, Russia, Turkey and South Africa. OECD chief economist Laurence Boone said: “We’re returning to the long-term trend. “We’re not expecting a hard landing, however, there’s a lot of risks. "A soft landing is always difficult. Eurozone: Growth is seen slipping from nearly 2.0 percent this year to 1.6 percent in 2020 (Image: GETTY) “This time it is more challenging than usual because of the trade tensions and because of capital flows from emerging markets to countries normalizing monetary policy.” The OECD calculated as much as 0.8 percent could be slashed off global gross domestic product by 2021 from economic uncertainly surrounding the trade war between the US and China. However, the US economy was expected to fare better than most other major economies, partly because of costly fiscal stimulus
Ah I just re read this post. Of course I am proud of the fallen and all who took part in the world wars. I'm not proud of the NHS for personal reasons. I'm proud of a lot of things. I'm also not proud of the fact we have people who have to use food banks to survive while others get bonuses the size of 20 plus years wages of our servicemen. I'm not proud that our servicemen come home and are then deserted by the people who sent them to battle. I'm not proud of poverty and children starving etc. Its a bit of a 50/50 regarding pride for me. As for believing in our country..........I believe those in power talk ****e, I believe things are getting worse not better for the everyday person, I believe we shouldn't trust any politicians.
So if I'm correct in understanding the statement 'I believe in our country', then I definately don't believe in it. I think it's going to the dogs! Stabbings and murders, poverty and homelessness, fat cats getting richer, poor getting poorer, social injustices, underfunded servicemen and underpaid. Cuts to social services, food banks. Front line staff not recognised for the work they do. Politicians lies and politics at an all time low etc etc Rant over. Apologies if that upsets anyone
bob your dislike of politicians has nothing to with being 'proud' or 'believing' in your country'. Can you not see the difference? Talking about food banks has nothing to do with being proud or not. Food banks are caused for a number of reasons (mostly I will admit is actions by the government). It saddens but doesn't surprise me that some people are not proud of their country.
