Off Topic we [ BCFC 606 ers ] debated IN or OUT and now

People love to say this, particularly those 40 and above. Why is it? He's not perfect but I don't mind Corbyn, are you really telling me he'd be worse than what we've currently got?

As far as I can see, everything the Tories have done since getting into power has completely screwed us over. When it comes to helping the average working person, they've done literally nothing to help them. Zero. Not a thing.

Schools? Hospitals? Public services in general? All cut. Benefits to people who genuinely need them? All cut. Have they saved money? Not a penny. Have they managed to make themselves richer in the process? Oh yes.

They have to go down as one of the worst administrations in living memory. No matter how badly the papers want to portray Corbyn, the country would be a hell of a nicer place with him in charge.

And you say fantasy policies and idiotic promises. The Tories, promised they'd balance the books, not increase National Insurance, cut migration to below 100k, reduce child poverty (their record on this is a disgrace by the way)... the list goes on.

Did you know that even pre-Brexit, we're the only 'main' country in the EU to not have wage levels return to how they were before the financial crash? The UN even released a special report the other day because child poverty levels are at an abysmal level for a country with the 5th biggest economy in the world!

The Tories have been a complete and utter disaster.

 

OH I am so cheered up, been down in the dumps after a whole load of sh** including serious illness and bereavement … I can understand if there is a whole host of peeps out there that do not read properly or do not take in what they read and spout off at a tangent by miss information ….
"So why did Brexiteers say that we'd have these 30-40 trade deals" sorted …. from the original post 30 -40 years ago there were no where near as many complexities as there is nowadays …

Not backing up your point/s look at the date I said in answer to your Q ….. EU REFERENDUM WAS QUOTE " ...The United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, also known as the EU referendum and the Brexit referendum, took place on 23 June 2016 "
please read and digest before making further comments as it would help / avert corrections tnx

 

David Davis said that we'd have trade deals with the US and China, which is twice the size of the EU, before March 2019. He said this in July 2016 JGF, not 30-40 years ago.

I suggest you read/digest. And with the greatest respect, your posts are almost impossible to read.

 

I couldn’t vote for Corbyn - although right now I would struggle to pick from either party and the Lib Dem’s barely exist.
There are 3 reasons for me:
1. Large scale nationalisation. We tried it before - maybe us over 40s can still remember the winter of discontent and the days when the country was being run by unions and the factories by shop stewards.
2. The Mafia. Corbyn himself seems like a genuine bloke. Misguided and wrong in so many ways, but genuine nonetheless, but he has surrounded himself with some VERY nasty and dangerous people - thugs. I wouldn’t like to think what would happen if some of them got their hands on power.
3. Defence and the nation. How could I possibly vote for someone who detests our armed services so much that he takes the stage to woo people who KILL them. Just to be clear; these were not a bunch of protesters who simply want a united ireland, they were/are KILLERS who targeted men, women and children on our high streets - remember Warrington, Birmingham, and many many others. It’s not just Corbyn - Abbot too supported the IRA and might possibly still do. To me that’s treachery and it used to carry a severe punishment. Now it seems it’s trendy to attack your own nation and put down the brave people who answered the call to arms. Again, people of a certain age will remember this whilst younger generations won’t have experienced it (thankfully).
No, the Tories - bastards and ****ers that they are - are still (I can’t say ‘better’) - less bad than Corbyns mafia.

 

FFS - choosing between that tosser and Corbyn would be like trying to choose between gouging out your left eye or your right with a rusty nail.
And if you don’t vote then someone else will choose for you!!!

 

It's not an argument from my side wiz, just a bit of discussion as we usually have on here! I only said that I suggest he reads/digests as he said the exact same to me.

I'd suggest the propaganda is on the other side in all honesty. It's no coincidence that the Murdoch-owned rags which are known for printing complete and utter BS are the ones backing this. But I suppose each side sees it in their own way.

bcfcredandwhite - It sounds to me like you're just repeating what the papers have been saying. Corbyn has had every bit of slander and defamation possible aimed at him. Apparently he was this and that, at one point he was a spy apparently! I don't believe a word of it, these papers have a track record of making things up completely out of the blue. Regarding the IRA point, I'd rather not get into that discussion, but in my opinion (my opinion only) it is a far more 2-sided argument than many make out. That said, I'm British and Irish so may be somewhat biased. Far point regarding nationalisation but I think we have seen already that a nationalised railway for example would be FAR better than what we have now. If Europe can do it then why can't we?

 

Thanks to someone on OTIB for this. In case you guys needed any proof about the anti-Corbyn lies..

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Sometimes you have to wake up and question what you're reading...

 

So basically one article, with one lie, which disagrees with his claim that he didn't support the IRA? Come on wiz. You need to do better than that.

Besides, even IF it was true, that's still a far cleaner record than his opposition.

 

Now Benn IS someone who I could see myself voting for.
That speech he made regarding air strikes against ISIS gave me goosebumps. What a speech.

 

People who hate Corbyn, REALLY hate Corbyn. And yet they're generally unable to prove any of these claims beyond a few sensationalist newspaper headlines, while conveniently ignoring all of the same issues that genuinely apply to the other party leader(s).

It's often a 2-sided thing but I just find it bemusing. I'm open to debate, of course I could be wrong, but I just don't ever see any genuine proof. It's all anecdotal or sensationalist lies. I'm genuinely open to being proven wrong here.

 

What this little ‘mini-debate’ has proved, is what I said from the start; that the Brexit vote did NOT follow party political lines. Corbyn himself is a Brexiteer and yet most of his party activists are remainers, who have deluded themselves that Brexit is a right-Wing thing, only affecting the Tory party.
Plenty of Labour die-hards voted Leave and plenty of Tory sympathisers voted Remain.
For what it’s worth I think that everyone, regardless of how they voted in the referendum, is going to be very disappointed with the final shape of Brexit.

 

I haven't mentioned trade deals, you are trying to fill in the hole you have dug by trying to imply something not said to cover up the fact you mis read or didn't read properly what was posted .. WE ALREADY HAVE TRADE DEALS WITH THESE COUNTRIES ! haven't you noticed that even gherkins can be the produce of CHINE ! or 80% of what you buy is made in China!


THE END

 

Greetings from Dubai.

Rob, I'm tempted voting for Corbin next time in the hope you Youngens can live through the Labour 'experience'.
I was Red when I was 21.
But you learn.

 

It’s not my argument Rob , I’ve been listening to the WW1 documentaries on BBC where they’ve been talking to the men that signed up and why they signed up , They said to a man it was to stop us being ruled by foreigners in foreign countries, so that shows its you talking nonsense , unless of course you think they were not telling the truth.

 

Interesting this - I’m exactly the opposite.
In my younger days I was as right wing as was legally possible. Probably having a dad who worked at Rolls Royce in the 1970s and was always on (involuntary) strike helped.
As I’ve grown I’ve shifted more central - there is a time and place for rewarding enterprise but also a social duty to help our fellow human beings when their chips are down - as long as they help themselves of course - scroungers or piss-takers excluded.

 

Wiz stop believing everything on the internet!
They say that tramadol is addictive, but I’ve been on them for 6 years with no problems I’m only on 36 a day as well