Do be honest, after the first paragraph (that has been used umpteen times by pro remainers on Facebook and twitter) about how a much more intelligent remainer needs to educate those stupid brexiteers and once he/she does those pro brexiteers recoil in horror and realise the error of their ways.........I couldn’t be arsed with the rest. Sorry.
Yes, I can see that that would seem condescending, but I do think that there is a wilful disregard - particularly amongst hard-line Brexiteer Tory MPs - of what a No-Deal actually means. People that say 'nobody wants a No-Deal' are fooling themselves - these scumbags do.
Mate, it’s just become a complete and utter mess and, to me anyway, seems no one, both for and against brexit are gonna get what they want. The negotiations by our government have been an utter shambles, not helped by certain elements in the EU who seem intent on ‘punishing’ the U.K. for daring to go it alone. Again personally, I wasn’t swayed by the Russians or what was written on a bus.....I just saw the EU as an ‘old boys club’, where we, the people, are being used to pay the wages and pensions of various unelected officials, when the money could and should be used to help the poor and needy here. The country is now divided and probably will be for many years to come . I can’t help thinking that many of those in charge are now jumping up for joy
I totally agree. Its a common theme and doesn't do anything to build bridges. That said I'd claim to be more intelligent than Nadine Dorries any day of the week!
Too many facts Stroller, and as you can see from the first reply, Brexiteers are simply not interested in facts... I'll be impressed if anyone actually does try to engage with that post, point by point, from the other side..
I’m sure if you have the time to go through the last 1000 pages or so of this thread it’ll be there somewhere
It's a shame because I didn't have the heart to read much more than the first paragraph. suddenly everyone is an expert on a 'no deal' situation. Contracts have been made pasts the deadline date with goods...do people really think EU counties will suddenly say "No dealing with the UK, so I will fold my 100 year old business"? It's laughable and people will not fall for this project fear rubbish anymore. By the way I have booked my flight to Germany after the date when they said planes wouldn't fly...does that mean the won't honour my trip next year? If we left with a no deal things just won't stop. Why do people write this ill-informed nonsense? The EU would be chasing us down the street for a deal. I am fed up with all the crap about delays/lorries blah blah blah. I have used the Euro Tunnel 4 times and have been delayed by 2,2, 1 and 4 hours. Never been on time! I have been stuck in traffic jams with lorries going to Dover... So what? Even yesterday France was virtually brought to stand still over this Fuel thing with Macron.... And you know what... We are still in the bloody EU. I keep hearing of a second vote or an election.... neither of which will settle this. Firstly how dare they ask for a second vote when the first hasn't been implemented! I am actually pleased that Corbyn doesn't want this and the polls clearly show the people don't. As for an election... what will that achieve? Even with Corbyn in power, the EU won't change its stance. This whole 'love in' with the EU is ridiculous. If people think that if somehow we return we can reform from within you are deluded. It would be worse for us. We would be weaker and more importantly, they will make us join the failing Euro... Do people actually want that? Even this week some minister referred to the future of the EU as an 'Empire' ... actually I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Remoaners and the 'enemy within' have ruined what should have been a golden opportunity for this country. Rather than accept a democratic vote and unite they have spent the last 2 years sabotaging the process. We had a strong hand going into these negotiations and this hand was undermined by incompetence and people who couldn't accept the result. Due to this, we are now left with Chequers which no one actually wants. For me, we need to get rid of May and walk away. The EU will then realise that they won't survive without us and will come back with something we can all work with.
Apparently the tactic to get the deal through Parliament is: - lose first vote - stand by and see the carnage resulting in the stock and currency markets - take it back for a second vote when MPs get what no deal actually means - win second vote and get on with it It has been dubbed the Kamikaze Option.
A no deal would always be better than the one we have. The Tories and Labour need to be careful because if Brexit doesn't happen UKIP will become a very big party. I would also see splits in Labour and the Cons. This is what happens when people don't accept a democratic vote.
That really wouldn't surprise me. But I still think it will go through first time. I reckon there's enough MPs that are completely terrified of no deal and will do anything to avoid it.
Shouldn’t your third point read - Take it back for a second vote when MP’s and their rich friends have become even richer from the carnage in the stock and currency markets
There's clearly a case for the electorate to be educated in the full ramifications of an exit on WTO terms from reliable sources - but,in my view not from A Howard on Facebook, particularly as he can't be arsed to set the points out concisely but wants to tell his whole ****ing life story. There really are some self important twats about. If the UK did decide to go this route, the EU would scramble to agree terms with us to minimize damage to them. Part of the current problem is that Brussels always believed May would take what she was given and prize ****s like Selmeyer have been saying that losing Northern Ireland was the price the UK had to pay for leaving.
Including many Brexiters. I was reading about a currency hedge fund owner and prominent Brexiter, Crispin Odey, who was crowing about the millions he made from shorting the pound this week. Of course James Dyson, always rolled out as the Brexit face of industry, now makes virtually nothing in the UK and wants to destroy employment protection here to increase his pool of cheap Labour. Mr Brexit, Farage, denies shorting the £ during the referendum, but clearly its collapse after 16 June made him very happy. I know these aren’t your mates, but they are your fellow travellers. I know you also dislike what describe as ‘unelected bureacrats’ (though there is a very clear system of accountability in the EU, ending up with elected officials) but if your real interest is reducing poverty (unless it is only UK poverty you care about), digest this: It was forecast that it would take 20-25 years for the new Eastern European EU members to benefit from joining. In fact Poland’s GDP grew by 60% in its first ten years. I was there last weekend and it clearly has a high standard of living and a low cost of living. The EU has redistributed wealth very effectively in some instances (not all, as the Greeks know). Sure it has corruption, but probably no more than national governments including ours, sure it is bureaucratic, sure it has made some rich people even richer, but it’s not all bad.
At lot of what the great man says are assumptions and not fact.....ie delays at borders meaning produce and medicines ‘going off’.....of course this MIGHT happen....but it isn’t fact because it hasn’t yet happened. People in 1999 thought planes might fall from the sky at midnight on 31Dec.....
