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Article: Arsene Wenger's youth philosophy | Football, Arsenal

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Weswilko, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. MrWright!

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    Because not being able to get in a team ahead of Xavi, Iniesta etc means their **** <doh>
     
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  2. MUFCOK

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    Funny you should say that because by Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Chelsea fans definition United are **** because Barcelona made them look ****..
     
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    Concentrate on the rest of the post. Wenger bought badly and theres no denying that. Man United bought well, Young and Jones have premiership experience, Young has done well so far and has a decent amount of talent, and Jones at an early stage of his career is battle hardened having been involved in a relegation battle with Blackburn, which means he can handle pressure.

    De Gea is only a young keeper and he'll develop as he gets older. I think Man United are doing the right thing by getting their players to clatter into him in training, its been reported they are doing that. Its the only way he'll toughen up. He will need to toughen up as the premier league requires it.

    Sometimes getting your major deals done early is important. Liverpool and Man United both did that, Wenger left it late and ended up buying out of desperation.
     
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  4. HRH Custard VC

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    Very much this, thats why both UTDs and Liverpools, new signings look like they have been part of the team for years.
     
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  5. robin_van_ fiberglass

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    Nice post Samir but I disagree with you about Chamberlin, he was absolutely nowhere near the level Rooney was at at the same age.
     
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  6. stopthepress

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    For me, the difference between the 2 managers is that winning is Ferguson's ONLY priority.

    Wenger sees football as a cultural thing, and I think that this distracts him and muddles his priorities. There are certain types of players that Wenger won't sign, because they don't fit in with his cultural aesthetics. This is just snobbery at the end of the day, and as Gary Neville pointed out in his recent Mail column, it shapes the attitudes of the players.
     
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    Theres a massive difference between Rooney and Chamberlain.
    Rooney was a 18 year old premiership player when he joined Manchester United, Chamberlain was a championship player when he joined Arsenal. I'm in fact correct that Chamberlain has played the same amount of premiership football as Raheem Sterling. £12 million or £15 million, it doesn't matter. Its a vast amount of money for someone with no premiership experience.
    As for Stewart Downing. Of course Arsenal wouldn't want someone that plays close to 38 league games as season, they would rather have crocks like Robin Van Persie or over-weight garbage like Arshavin who don't play half that amount.
    Gary Cahill, over-rated?, You are delusional. Gary Cahill is far from over-rated, Mertsacker is a good defender, but there is times when trains turn quicker than him. I can see him struggling until Vermaelen gets fit, Koscienly is error prone and Djourou and Squillaci are useless.
    As I said Wenger got his transfer tactics horribly wrong and this will be proven when Arsenal have no champions league football in 2012/2013, they are battling with Spurs for 5th. Spurs are dire, so they should make 5th.
     
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  8. SAMOC

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    hhhahahahahah
     
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  9. SAMOC

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    too true, rooney was a full englandi nternational at 17
     
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  10. MrWright!

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    and that pressure etc resulted in him being abit ****/injured up until recently
     
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  11. robin_van_ fiberglass

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    We will see KPR, we will see. And btw there is no way in hell that I would chose Stewart Downing over RvP. There is a possible case for Arshavin but even then I think I would take the Russian.
     
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    Perhaps comparing Chamberlain and Carroll would be a good example of how huge transfer fees can be paid when managers think they have potential on their hands. But maybe that's a bit unfair on Chamberlain... <ok>
     
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    Stewart Downing is far from average. He's a top solid winger that would grace any top side. As for Arshavin, the less said the better. I saw him last night against the Republic of Ireland and he couldn't control himself let alone a football. Now if he's going to get marked up the stick by Darren o Dea, whats he going to do against good defenders.
    Van Persie has hamstrings like Michael Owen, he's always injuring them. The fact is Wenger bought badly. Arsenal will not finish in the top four for the simple reason they are no longer good enough. Park Chu Young and Mikel Arteta whom is past it is not going to change that.
     
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    I saw that match too, Arshavin would have had 2 assists if any of the Russian players could finish. Ireland were extremely lucky to get a point. I'm not sure how you think you are much better than us when we are much stronger now compared to how we were when we played you.
     
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  15. SAMOC

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    Yeah he is ****, 150 goals in 6 years at the biggest club in englnd, you right, he is ****
     
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  16. SAMOC

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    oh not forgetting the a goal every 2.2 games for englnd, what ****
     
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  17. MUFCOK

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    <laugh> Yes so true. £30m he was bought for at the age of 18. He scored a hat-trick on his debut. He has gone on to be one of United's best players in the past 20 years easily and will most likely go on to become our top scorer of all time. He was a 'bit ****' after he never recovered from his injury plus the fact the pressure from the tabloids got to him after his affair...

    But once again he is one of the best in the world who will probably go on to score 30+ in all comps this season.
     
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    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  19. Elpistoleros magic feet

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    King Eric
    Stewart Downing is Liverpools answer to Antonio Valencia, nothing flashy, no step-overs, but is consistently consistent. Valencia is a solid, reliable winger, is he world class?, not in a million years, but like Downing, he's ultra reliable. More reliable than these flashy players like Aaron Lennon and Walcott and Bale, that perform for 3 games and then believe all their own hype.
     
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  20. MUFCOK

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    I would agree with that but I don't know if he would command a place in the Top 4 sides ie. United, City, Chelsea..maybe Arsenal actually.
     
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