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Brexit Vote

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by brb, Nov 15, 2018.

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Public Vote

  1. No Deal

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  2. May's Deal

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  3. Remain in the EU

    20 vote(s)
    57.1%
  4. Shoot Mogg's in the Bolloxs (The don't care vote)

    3 vote(s)
    8.6%
  1. brb

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    Have you forgotten about Tony Blair?
     
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  2. Tobes

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    There were plenty like you (and me) who’s decision was made from the off, for whatever reason.

    But there were also plenty who weren’t like us who genuinely didn’t know which way to go and were open to persuasion. The Leave campaigns got to these people by fair means or foul, and won more of them over than Remain.

    I’d agree about the never ending cycle though. Even if there was another vote and Remain won, then the issue wouldn’t go away, it’d just drag on and on.

    The prospect of no deal is just a shocker though imo. It’d be the biggest act of National self harm in history. As the stuff about no deal isn’t project fear, it’s project reality. The hundreds of regulatory agreements between us and the EU have to be renegotiated, these cover everything from driving licenses to medicine approvals. These agreements have to have resolution, so ‘no deal’ is in reality a misnomer as there’ll have to be deals done on All of these agreements, and that’s either done before we leave or afterwards in a state of crisis.
     
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    No. Not seeing the relevance, though.
    Your mindset would seem to suggest that we should've gone to war with Iraq because of the vote for it, even if we found out that the WMD report was bollocks.
     
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  4. brb

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    I agree with most of what you say, however, in regards to the last sentence my response would be is that we should never have got ourselves into that regulatory state in the first place (bearing in mind i don't recognise the EU). I'd like to see every stitch of it undone, but that's just my crazy view.
     
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    You were mentioning the following words, misleading, hostile foreign power, killing people.and breaking the law (war criminal). I think the narrative fits both ways. *Tony Blair

    I was totally against the war btw
     
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    Trying to undo 45 years of trade and regulatory alignment is like trying to take the eggs out of a baked cake. You can argue we shouldn’t have been part of it, but we were and every single one of those agreements needs to be sorted and U.K. provisions made to replicate the agencies and authorities that oversee them.
     
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    You can't have been against the war. It was voted on, so it had to proceed. You'd kill democracy otherwise, apparently.
     
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    Aint read, which war?
     
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    You seem to be going off on your own narrative for some reason. Where did i vote for or against a war. Where did i vote to stop it. I didn't but i'm allowed an opinion on it

    You seem to be confusing a vote with an opinion. Is this what happens when someone tries to have a sensible debate with you, just because their view is different to yours?
     
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    I mentioned Blair.
     
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    gulf war. or the forgotten first one?
     
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    Forgotten first one?
     
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    Iraq and Afghanistan is what brb's referring to. Blair and the whole WMD bullshit.
     
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    There was an election and the elected representatives voted to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Your opposition to this would be undemocratic, if you had any consistency.

    Had the truth come out at the time, do you think that we still should've gone to war, as democracy had previously gone for this action?
    I think that we should act and react when new information becomes available or poor decisions are revealed as such.
     
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    You forget there was one in 1990/1?

    easy forgotten history for most of you
     
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    As i said i think you are confusing someones opinion in that of a vote. I had no say in the Iraq war, hence i could not turn over the decision. However, people elect our powers to make those decisions, so it is what it is, and democracy was served cold and bloodied. It don't mean it forms part of my opinion in agreement of the war going ahead, quite the contrary, which when mirrored with brexiting, you appear to want the opposite and over-ride democracy, more than just having an opinion.
     
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    You had a say, as you had the option to vote in the preceding general election.

    The idea that an additional vote is overriding democracy is patently absurd.
    The Brexit referendum wasn't democracy, though. One side cheated and actually did override democracy.
    Why aren't you up in arms about that?
     
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    How many further votes would suffice?
     
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