Off Topic UK / EU Future

There are many other systems which would work at a national level Mex. We are one of the very few countries in the World where one party can exert so much power (and cause so much chaos) based on only about 37% of the vote. In most other countries they would have to form coalitions on that basis, and thus, would be neutralized in their mischief. Our voting system has been an accident waiting to happen for a long time now - and once a majority is there then there is very little to balance it because Britain is so centralized on Westminster and the Lords only really have a limited blocking power to a certain extent. Other countries have a much more established system of checks and counterbalances. In Britain you have a one party state which changes every now and then - but where the majority are always against the government. If I thought that this whole sorry episode would really lead to a rethinking of Britain's political structures then it would not have been in vain, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

 

Ah I see, well sort of.

How's my timeline breakdown?

 

I like your timeline Mex as there is a great deal of the truth there put in a different way.

 

The timeline breakdown is pretty accurate Mex. Our two main parties really are the bane of this country - if you had PR then they would both break up overnight. They only really exist because of each other and so they need each other like Celtic and Rangers do - if one broke up then the other would quickly follow.

 

OK, good to know I have some sort of a nutshell understanding of the madness.

 

No chance of PR in the UK.

 

I'm surprised nobody has expressed disgust at the lack of patriotic pride displayed by the UK negotiations team. If they really cared about the traditions and heritage of this fine nation we wouldn't have ever agreed to a backstop - it would have been called a wicket keeper.

 

I'm not surprised by any of this implosion. It would be comedy gold if it weren't so damned tragic. Funny watching nazinige spitting multiple dummies far from his pram, bless.
Now that the various problems have been laid bare and also we see that certain WTO members aren't going to give us an easy ride I would have thought that it would be common sense to have a second vote. No deal is patently going to be even worse than it was suggested it could conceivably be. The hotchpotch on the table leaves us at the mercy of the EU on so many levels.
That leaves the tory party in tatters, with a likely lurch to the right as jrm and his trumptard leaning supporters are rubbing their hands; meanwhile the Labour Party has an arguably un-electable leader who is also an EU sceptic; the Lib-Dem's still rudderless and ineffectual following on from their noble but utterly misguided attempt to reign in the greater excesses of the cameron government... look where we are without them - science denying, bigoted, xtian-fascists, even further to the right of nazinige, propping up the government of the day.

Only the orange idiot across the pond is a greater laughing stock than our pathetic government... and somehow even that is debatable! It's all utterly ridiculous!

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1062983853260918784.html

 

"You have to admire the courage of Theresa May, but she must know that what she said she would get for the UK was never attainable. To raise expectations, then fail is not what clever politicians do." "Splendid in her isolation, which way will she turn next?" " Her refusal to cooperate with Scotland, her reliance on a small party from Northern Ireland that no longer support her, can only mean that she is risking the break up of not only her party, but the disintegration of the United Kingdom."

A few comments from my French newspaper today, translated hopefully fairly accurately. The news services on TV reports are aghast at what they see as a country lost in a maze that they cannot find out where the exit is, and refuse to turn round to return to the beginning.

 

Even with May’s self inflicted problems she is still more popular than the French clown Macron who has run out of friends even quicker.

Mind the road blocks tomorrow!!!

 

The disintegration of the United Kingdom has been a possibility for a long time Frenchie. The Scottish referendum was before all this mess started, and, I'm sorry to say it, but stable countries do not have separatist movements of this magnitude. I have only experienced 2 Tory majority governments as an adult and both of these have left behind massive rifts within our society. I have said it before, and I will do it again, as long as you have this first past the post political system in the UK you will have the majority of the population kicking the cat after elections and saying 'I didn't vote for this lot', and this is poison which accumulates over a longer period. Like a boil which explodes and brings all it's poison to the surface such a thing as a referendum can bring all of this out. TM is not responsible for 40 years of anti EU. propaganda by the gutter press of the UK. or for the pockets of stubborn poverty which have developed in the UK. - all looking for a scapegoat, and any chance to topple a government through such a thing as a protest vote. This whole thing has simply thrown into stark relief the inherent instabilities of our political system - you have a political party which is disintegrating before our eyes, but still has power and no effective balance to it.

 

The road will be blocked for 30 minutes by 20 students starting at 9.00 am on one road into town. Strangely enough people do not see this as a massive problem. The objection is over the tax on fuel, but they should think themselves lucky that they are not in the UK where a litre is 12p more expensive. Maybe it is time for the population over there to get more active and protest at the crazy state of the non-government and the Tory Brexit.

 

The difference is people have jobs in the UK and fuel duty has not been increased for years. I understand the French government is trying to do something about its massive debt mountain.

 

I was not making a comment cologne, just reporting what I was reading. However I do believe from what I witnessed over the past weeks, Scotland has been ignored, basically because their situation is different, and rather than get their cooperation and input, it all became a bit difficult. Because of their very different approach to social matters they are on a collision course with the London government, something that eventually will create the break.

 

I really think you should be trying to defend the Tory party seeing as you are a paid up member. Seeing as business is saying that the uncertainty cannot continue, is it not time for some of the traitors within to shut up and support the PM? I don't think this small band of misfits should be in the party at all, but I suppose without a majority the government needs everyone, no matter how destructive they are, to keep them in power.

 

The Tories have done a great job since Labour made the downturn even worse. They have created millions of jobs in the private sector whilst sorting out the bloated state section. They have also taken a responsible fiscal attitude drastically reducing the deficit. We only have to look across the channel to see France mired in high unemployment, high debt and extreme politics. The promised savour has fallen flat on his face, no reforms and no friends. The UK is looking a much better bet going forward even with this Brexit blip.

 

Actually private companies create jobs in the private sector, not government. How many civil servants have the government taken on to deal with Brexit? The government now owes about £1.8 trillion compared to the £1.0 trillion when they came into power.

 

The reduction in corporation and other taxes has allowed companies to invest in staff. The UK’s debt level is well below that of France, the unemployment level less than half. France should ask the UK for advice on creating jobs.

It is Italy and France faced with huge debts that are the sick men of Europe, these governments lack the knowhow or bottle to halt the slide. Member states are now queuing up to challenge the Eurocrats authority, the EU is imploding before our eyes.

 

You are so funny. How can you talk about implosion when you look at the state of the UK government, and you are there cheering on from the sidelines.