This seems reasonable and feels as if it might (very probably) be true. I'm not sure I quite understood the point the (original) poster was making or whether he really felt that fear was unusual in such circumstances. Plus: "grievances don't necessarily have to lead to violence. Not in a civilised society." Your reasonableness appears to know no bounds, Jip. Stop it.
No details, everyone knows that if their is a war going on Britain will be more than happy to send it's young off to kill and die in it. The Brits can lecture no one on violence. Pinning medals on men who flew hundreds of thousands of feet over a target , with no chance of taking a hit, and droppin bombs. What heroes 'our boys' are eh, they will be on Pride of Britain I'm sure. Load of bollocks, enjoy your Sunday
He isn't being reasonable though is he? Just last week the RAF were dropping bombs on Lybia. Afghanistan before that Iraq, I could be here all day. It's hypocricy of the highest order. Someone who plants a bomb is a terrorist and a criminal but put a uniform on them, stick them in a plane and have them drop bombs on people and he's a hero?
Nice U turn Jip <Lauh> It's all pish. A dead man's a dead man no matter were he's from. The OP was obviousely at the wind up with a few beers in him anyway.
Cheers mate. I am in a very reasonable mood today. The dog pissed on the floor earlier and I didn't even raise my voice.
On the contrary, his assertions were perfectly reasonable and, as general (moral) points, they seemed fairly flawless to me. You seem keen to conflate the actions of British soldiers with people who plant bombs in high streets, not seeming to see any difference. Fair enough. But I'm left wondering why you like violence at all? If you hate the actions of the British army so much, then why would you have Irish people act in a similar way - or, as Jip seems to have put the question: "why stoop to our level?" Where is your higher ideal, Ciaran?
Why am I being hypocritical Ciaran? When did I say I agreed with British foreign policy? Assume makes an ass out of u + me
Were have I said I like violence? Only a mad mad would actually like violence. My answers have been in response to the usual nonsense put forward by people who would condemn one kind of violence while praising people involved in another kind of violence. It's hypocracy, no? As I said above, a dead man is a dead man no matter were he is from. As for your comment about High Street bombs. I see absolutely zero difference between dropping a bomb from the sky onto a high street and loading up a lorry and actually driving it onto the High Street.
It may very well be seen as hypocrisy by some people, yes. Agreed. And if you don't like violence - good for you, something else we can agree on - then you'll have no problem condemning the actions of the Irish in the same way you've just done for the British, no? They do things with "absolutely zero difference" to your mind, so each is as bad as the other, yes? (This could be a real love-in if we all play our cards right.) Jip - I envy your calm in the face of your dog's provocations. Not to doubt your zen-like state of being, of course, but I feel sure you must be medicated this morning.
I don't think they were scared ****less, I think they were aware of the serious threat of death. But on a more serious note, how was the new start of term?
No more than any other morning. Just been watching highlights of the Scotland match though, and I can't believe how badly wrong the officials were with the penalty decisions. Good job I'm not Scottish, otherwise I wouldn't be posting with quite the same equanimity.
Violence is wrong but not always wrong. Fighting the Nazis was absolutely the right thing for Britain to do and invading Iraq was absolutely the wrong thing to do. I am not a pacifist.
Fair play, Ciaran. Take it easy. Jip - nightmare. I've just been watching the Czech penalty again. You may find a few tetchy Scots on here this afternoon, but we are justified in our pique and sense of righteous indignation. The horror, the horror.
