To poppy or not to poppy?

All I said Beefy is there is always a view from the other side. I didn’t agree nor disagree with the action.

Nothing to “nope” about my post.

 

You liked Archers post then posted. I assumed that you agreed with then said your part that your view will be different depending if you are Irish or English. I was simply saying that view doen't matter when you start talking up terrorist and using their quotes etc.

 

This should be the record of the day on Remembrance Sunday. I would also change gun for knife after the fifth fatal stabbing in London in the past week.

 

Ronan Curtis is also a Derry boy! I wonder if he objected to a poppy on his shirt. It wouldn´t be worth his life if he publicly objected, in such a military city as Pompey.

 

I thought poppies are intended to remember ALL who lost lives in times of conflict not just British Army. As someone else said, the very freedom that was fought for gives people the right to participate or not participate as they see fit. I will remember them and trust those with strong views the other way aren’t too offended

 

Like a lot of people Harry doesn't seem to be able to seperate politics from personal sacrifice.

 

I think that if people are going to wear poppies then they should be clear what, and who, they are wearing them for - and, mostly, it isn't clear. Is it for the dead in all wars, of all nations ? Is it only for the armed forces personnel who died, or for all war dead ? Remembering that, from the second World War onwards, more civilians have died in such conflicts - do we remember all those who have died in bombing raids ? If the answers are positive to these questions then I can wear one. If you wear it for the right reasons then you are also wearing it for those who die in bombing raids in Syria and Palestine - and, for those that have lost everything and fled those places. But how many poppy wearers in the UK. are wearing them for refugees ?

 

For the record I wasn’t talking up any terrorist or their quotes. My point was and still is that there is always a flip side and that was no reference to being English or Irish.

 

I think you are making it way over-complicated. As it happens I wear the poppy for all those who have died in wars, including, if you insist, Syrian refugees. I do not expect, as I made clear a few days ago, that everyone else who wears a poppy wears it for the same reasons I do.

 

Of course people wear it for different reasons Chilco, and yes, maybe I was overcomplicating things. Some wear it because of someone in their own family, and so, for them, it's very personal. Others wear it because they think it looks better if they wear it (social pressure in some circles). My father was at the Chelsea Pensioners for the last 14 years of his life and so, there I would have worn it but not outside.

 

I wear one every year to remember the fallen.........lest we forget........

 

Nelson Mandela was regarded as a terrorist at one stage then he became a hero as views changed.

 

As society seems intent on voting for extreme parties at the moment clearly we are forgetting.

 

I am a total pacifist and atheist. To me all wars are avoidable and mostly caused by religion that doesn't even exist.

However, I wear a poppy because of the millions and millions and millions who have protected my freedom - something I haven't got the balls to do. My motto in life is I would much rather live a chicken than die a hero. The millions we remember are stronger, better people than I am - whatever they fought for.

Lest we forget.

Phew, rant over

 

I would say most wars are caused by religion AND greed.

 

I think it's more that he can't separate his son from his twitter account login.

 

Lest we forget.....The poppy is a symbol of remembrance.......not a political statement Wear one if it suites.......don’t if it doesn’t.......The IRA were terrorists.......that should never be forgotten! The footballer had every right not to wear a poppy. That was his choice.........his statement of why he wasn’t was perhaps tasteless from our point of view. Although perhaps there is a little hypocrisy in that he is willing to make statements like that but is prepared to earn a good living from amongst the people that hold the opposite view. That’s just my opinion and not an invitation for a discussion on the I R A.

 

Wars are fought over money. Always have been. Every nation that has gone to war has claimed to have god on it’s side, but it’s money they fight over. That was true of the crusades, and it’s been true of every war before and since.

 

We could add that many of McClean´s countrymen also fought in WW1 and probably in the WW2, and have served in the services since and up to the present day.