What utter drivel. You know that applies if Mane is in an offside position* when Bobby plays the ball. He wasn't. That's two strikes. One more and we can hopefully jail you for life. *Just to remind you again of the relevant part of the offside rule - being in an offside position does NOT mean you are offside. try and work that out.
Hey, if you have trouble understanding the rule don't take it out on me. How many players were between Mane and the goal when the shot and rebound happened?
Their goal was preventable,our defence not traçķing and Alisson misjudged too. Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
you sir are one lonely ****ing idiot. I'm on nights, I get paid to do this, but you stay up all night trying to find someone to talk to. As evidenced by the comments of many senior referees and pundits throughout the media, I understand the rules very well. You, on the other hand - well let this thread be a testament to your complete ****ing idiocy. If Mane is in an offside position and the ball rebounds to him, he then becomes offside. If Mane is not in an offside position and the ball rebounds to him (which was his status when Bobby played the ball) he is not offside. Are you missing your tedium tag-team marathons with Dull?
"A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: …." Note that you have to be in an offside position in the first place (though not offside as such) before any of the other conditions (a few of which you quote) apply. As Mane was onside when the ball was played, none of the conditions are relevant. Don't blame me that you can't ****ing understand English. You've being reading too much Saxtonish.
I wish we’d played Arsenal at the start of the season, they were awful then. It was 3 free points for City. As for us. We’re still not clicking but should have won. Mane’s goal should have stood, VvD had a hat-trick of good chances and their goal was sloppy by us. All that said, a point at Arsenal is ok and we’re still not in the groove. If we can get our attacking rhythm back for the second half of the year as we did last year, we’ll be fine - I just hope that City aren’t home and hosed by the time we wake up!
A point away at the Emirates is still pretty decent. I think most are annoyed at the performance more than anything. I’m not sure if Klopp is keeping the shackles on to ensure we don’t exert too much energy during the first half of the season, so that we can blitz teams later on. Or, if this is just a new solid, pragmatic Liverpool? Or if we’re simply missing that creativity in midfielder? - we had coutinho last season and then Ox. Yet again, our midfield just lacks balance. Fabinho had a stinker - was this just a bad day in the office or is it because he had to play in a midfield 3 as opposed to the 2? (Where klopp said that was his best position). Either way, we needed more from him. Milner was Milner, even though he took his goal well and Gini went back to being a ghost. We badly need Keita fit and firing, and we need Ox or to bring in another attacking mid. Whilst the front 3 weren’t great, there were some encouraging moments. But it’s clear to see that these guys are having to drop deeper in order to get the ball, and there’s more reliance on them to create as well score. I don’t blame Alisson for the goal, I think he actually does well. I would put more blame on Trent because he stops playing to call for offside but he keeps on playing, he would have got closer to Lacazette. The biggest highlight for me was VVD. The guy is ridiculously good. What a player. All in all, disappointing not to get the win considering we did have some very good chances. But a point away is still good in the grand scheme of things.
it is still funny that nobody wanted to analyse the game last night? is anyone going to do so now? ignore the offside grand debate and dummy spitting by astro... what was your view of the actual game
Mane was technically onside for the goal. But I don’t agree with that rule at all. Just makes it far too complicated. Also - we hit the post twice, VVD had another headed chance, he also took the ball on the chest and could have score, Firmino had a headed chance, Salah should have played mane in right at the end. We had chances despite not playing very well.
My take. Arsenal controlled the game and dominated it whereas you had the slightly better chances when going direct. You couldnt keep the ball in the first half but came on stronger in the second. Allison was lucky, mkhitaryan missed a sitter of a header because of him and he did a leno except again ****tyran has no left foot. Vvd was boss except for in the final third. He really should have had 3 at the very minimum 2 goals. Something is off with salah and i dont know if hes returned to his previous self (roma version). Always dangerous great runs but that end product hit and miss. All in all a draw was a fair result but i was surprised by how easy it was for arsenal to play it out and how well they outpressed you when they had players like xhaka and ozil on the pitch. Oh and fabinho looked absolute gash, he doesnt (from looks of it) play on the half turn and his first touch is suspect.
The offside rule is open to interpretation. That’s the problem. If it is assumed that Mane was active at the time the ball was threaded through to Firmino then he should have been given offside there and then and the linesman raising his flag. BUT he wasn’t although being involved in that initial pass. After that there was no way he was offside at any stage. So technically you are right it shouldn’t have been chalked off. On the match itself, this should have been 3 points. We needed those and we definitely dropped 2 points. Unless City by some minor miracle draw or lose today. Our hope is that Southampton have not lost even before the start of the match. Failing that the red side could sneak a win in their derby. It is unfortunately looking that it does not really matter what we do. The destiny of the title rests squarely with City.
We’re not at City’s level anyway so being in this position where we’re still challenging is incredible. Our midfield is simply nowhere near theirs, and they literally have a top class second and third string. We’re still unbeaten, and in a good position, and doing well in CL despite being in a horrible group.
This really should be a year your challenging. You have plugged all the gaps theoretically and you havent had a stronger and more settled side in years. Your squad looks more complete than it ever has. Yesterday your midfield looked poor yesterday and it might be time for klopp to get creative and playing 1 of bobby or shaqiri in midfield for a bit more inspiration. Keita has shown flashes but hasnt shown the full works and fabinho looks like he could be this this years bakayoko but youve spent 85m on these two to make your more dominant. Ox is out for the season right? Maybe its time for lallana to step up as milner hendo and winja are all ball shufflers but against anyone but the top 6 your team should be strong enough even in midfield to take them on
This is our (admirable?) trait of always looking at the silver lining in any cloud. Or to always looking at the glass as half full. But if we are really hard nosed about it, a draw is closer to a defeat than to a win. In the grand scheme of things to quote you, I would say we could and should have done better. The 3 points were there for the taking. This is what’s most frustrating thing about this challenge. When we have the opportunity we just cannot afford to miss it. Of course we can recognise that City’s team and squad are the best in the EPL and probably in Europe. But Leicester proved that if you took the opportunities presented and not dropping any (or very few) points then you can win the title even though you haven’t got the best team.
But we are challenging though. Whilst we’re at our best level in a long time, Unfortunately, we’re up against City who are pretty much a once in generation team. We haven’t plugged all gaps - we’re still a creative midfielder away from a complete first XI but still need Keita and Fabinho to fully get up to speed. I’m sure they will because they’re too good not to. Ox is out for the season. Lallana simply isn’t good enough. Shaqiri is probably the best person to play that role for now but to accommodate him, we have to play 4231 which is fine for Fabinho and Gini, but not for Hendo and Milner who are more suited to 433.
Correct you are challenging. I guess i mean i disagree with them being more complete. You killed them last season and you have spent big to cover all your weaknesses. A dominant box to box midfield, great cover on the wings, an actual decent keeper. So far you have a 100% record against teams against that on against the top 6 so you are showing that consistency that city have.
But Leicester won the league when literally every other team failed. That was a perfect storm which I don’t think has ever happened before. The talk is all about City but all of our rivals bar United are performing at a high level as well. This is incredibly difficult for us but we’re still competing. Compare us now vs 3 years ago. The transformation is incredible. Agree - we did have an opportunity to win yesterday and we should take it.
True - I was hoping Fabinho and Keita would walk into the team and transform us. Unfortunately I was naive, and these guys need time to adapt. When it does, I’m sure we will see improvement. Also - it’s clear why we wanted fekir. That’s the missing link.
