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America acting like the SS in Iraq?

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  1. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-onthemedia-20110903,0,435906.column

    By James Rainey

    September 2, 2011, 9:09 p.m.
    Even the reporter who wrote the story didn't want to believe it. Could U.S. troops in central Iraq really have handcuffed and executed an extended family, including four women and five small children?

    Matthew Schofield of McClatchy Newspapers wrote the story about those allegations more than five years ago, based on reports from Iraqi authorities and a medical examiner in the town of Ishaqi, an incident American forces allegedly tried to cover up with a subsequent airstrike.



    From March 2006 until today, Schofield had not been able to put the story out of mind. And now, despite repeated denials by U.S. military officials of any misdeed, a diplomatic cable newly released by WikiLeaks corroborates the newsman's concerns.

    "We need a thorough investigation of this," Schofield said. "It's been too long. We need to know what happened in Ishaqi."

    It's far from certain we will get a definitive answer. Back then, the war in Iraq had spiraled into its most violent period. The media scrambled to keep up with daily violence. Reporters had enough on their hands trying to account for an attack several months earlier, in which U.S. Marines retaliated for a roadside bombing in Haditha by killing two dozen Iraqis, including women and children.

    Today, much of the American public and media have moved on. The deadliest American war is now in Afghanistan. Economic anguish and the odd hurricane fill the headlines. Ten years after the 9/11 attacks, we would all prefer to recall the heroic moments in the war on terror — such as the cops and firefighters giving up their own lives to rescue fellow New Yorkers and the overwhelming majority of troops who have fought honorably for their country.

    The painful and often lonely job of the journalist is to remind us — even on the eve of a cathartic and unifying 10th anniversary — not just about the things that have gone right but the things that have gone wrong as we cope with a violent and determined enemy. The reemergence of the Ishaqi story also reminds us that, for all the tumult and potential danger caused by release of unredacted cables, WikiLeaks has also furthered the understanding of how our representatives conduct themselves overseas.

    Reporters like Schofield are not immune to the mixed emotions that come with unearthing particularly grim news. When word about Ishaqi first cropped up, Iraq had for a couple of months already been in the grip of a particularly violent wave of bombings, shootings and murder. The paroxysm of killing between Shiites and Sunnis began with the bombing of the Golden Dome Mosque.

    The bloodshed came with such persistence that even the most committed reporters in Baghdad felt challenged to explain it to readers back home. So Schofield, who had been based in Berlin between frequent forays to the war zone, decided to pick one day "to dig down deeper into some of these incidents."

    The day he chose happened to be March 15, 2006. U.S. forces engaged the house in Ishaqi, about 55 miles north of Baghdad, that day because it was occupied by a suspected member of Al Qaeda in Iraq, military spokesmen said. A ferocious gun battle ensued, leaving the home in rubble. The Americans said that somehow in the chaotic scene they managed to nab their suspect.

    Iraqi police commanders described a markedly different scenario, one that ended with five children younger than 5, including a 5-month-old infant, dead. The words of the local authorities rang with particular power, because they had been working closely before that with U.S. forces.

    The Iraqi version got fairly wide coverage from American outlets but no persistent investigation. U.S. military officials pledged to take another look and eventually announced that their opinion had not changed. There had been no wrongdoing.

    The case might have faded quietly into the past, like much of the destruction in Iraq over the last eight years. But that changed in late August, when the public information guerrillas of WikiLeaks dumped 134,000 more once-private government communiques onto the Internet.

    At McClatchy's bureau in Washington, a cable from U.N. investigator Philip Alston had special resonance. The reporters passed the cable on to Schofield.

    In the document, written a dozen days after the shootout, Alston requests more information from U.S. authorities about the Ishaqi episode. From his investigation, which is not described in detail, Alston concluded that, at the end of the shootout, the "troops entered the house, handcuffed all the residents and executed all of them."

    When Schofield followed up for this week's story, the U.N. official told him that he had been frustrated in 2006 when he tried to get more information from American and Iraqi officials. Alston, now a law professor at NYU, said the U.N. Human Rights Council did not have the power or will to respond when requests were ignored.

    Schofield's reporting has been corroborated and a big story revived. But there is no joy in it for the journalist. He felt sickened back then at the thought that young Americans could have visited such horror on women and small children. He stayed up late into the night after writing the story to talk through the story with colleagues, they still recall.

    Schofield now writes a column and edits opinion pieces for McClatchy's Kansas City Star. But he keeps photos taken that March morning in Ishaqi in his computer. One that he can't get out of his mind shows tiny bodies wrapped in blankets.

    The journalist tries to fit all that he has learned about Ishaqi into a less troubling scenario.

    "I can't get my head around the idea of U.S. soldiers standing behind these boys and pulling the trigger," he said. "Maybe with everyone huddled in one room, there was shooting and everyone was dead by the time they knew what happened. Maybe," he paused. "Who knows? I would like very much to know what happened."

    The U.S. government should open its files from Ishaqi. Clarifying what happened that March day would meet a couple of American imperatives: protecting the homeland, and maintaining our most basic values, even in a time of war. Among many others, that would be a fitting 9/11 anniversary tribute.
     
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    Genocide in Iraq

    Dick Cheney thanks you for your support <ok>

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    Mon the yanks!
     
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    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    They're only Iraqis though <whistle>
     
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  5. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    If true, it is terrible. However conflict zones such as Iraq will no doubt have similar atrocities coming from all factions. Just because this happened to have been the Americans in the story, you and the press jumped all over it.
     
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    The press have jumped over it? It occurred in 2006, was largely ignored then amd is still being ignored. The press are jumping all over wikileaks at the moment and not any of the cables they have released.

    I have no doubt these atrocities are coming from both sides but the Americans are supposed to be a legitimate military force and as the "moral leaders" of the world should not be committing war crimes and cover them up. And this was a cover up as the air force had to get involved.

    So when they lie about incidents like this and cover them up, how are to trust their "truths" about other incidents like.... oh i dunno....9/11?
     
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  7. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Well ofcourse it wouldn't be a big story now having occurred in 2006.

    Legitimate force or not, that doesn't make any of these crimes justifiable. And its not as if this behaviour is typical of the US army.

    The problem is it is the USA involved and just because it is them you and many others seem to think its ok to have a pop, when you wouldn't if it was someone elses name being used.
     
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    It happened in 2006 5 years ago. We have been trying Nazis since 1945. The ****ing Yanks have committed atrocities and those concerned should be brought to justice. It probably won`t happen, another cover up and the ****s will carry on trampling and bullying all over the world.

    War crimes don`t count when your a democracy <grr>
     
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    It means they can be held accountable
     
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    Just being ironic <ok>
     
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    No war crimes ever occur under a dictatorship/single head of state.
     
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  12. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Depends on who's keeping count.
     
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    The US are the self styled world police who are quick to jump on other nations rights abuses but unable, it seems, to get their own house in order.

    Who will watch the watchmen?
     
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    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I think you're overrating the US. They have as much clue internally as they do externally. They are getting played by other nations on this little globe of ours.

    Think about it.
     
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  15. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

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    Oh I dont over estimate the US. To anyone with an ounce of common sense the reality of their righteous crusade is easily transparent.
    However there are many, too many, that still hang on the every word of the US and see them as doing no wrong.
     
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    dun dun dah, and its conspiracy time on not606, ill get me popcorn
     
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    Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction Well-Known Member

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    Not a 9/11 thread! What did you make of the article?
     
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  18. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    As the single superpower in recent times the USA has been looked upon to take a prominent role i.e through NATO, UN etc.

    Imperialism has been at the heart of American foreign policy since its independence (a massive irony) and has therefore been involved in global affairs as opposed to taking on a policy of protectionism.

    The USA is ONLY as guilty as the rest of the world for putting them on a pedestal. The difference is, like in any walk of life, the guy on top gets the blame if things go wrong.

    And you say who will watch the watchmen, these things hardly make them look good so self regulation will occur. Not to mention internatoinal law etc.

    The USA is by no means perfect but who would you prefer as the leading superpower the US or China?
     
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    What's new?It's not much different than what the brutish army did over here for years.
     
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  20. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Point proven, any controversy and the guys in charge get blamed by others.
     
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