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Article: Is Lewis Hamilton underperforming in 2011? | Formula One

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  1. Masanari

    Masanari Active Member

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    The Red Bull has been easily the fastest car this season just look at the raw facts; Red Bull have had pole position at every GP so far this season, they have had 6 fastest laps, won seven races, and neither cars has finished outside the top five so far this year. In my view the Red Bull has been the fastest this year and by quite a bit.
     
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  2. Nick HCAFC

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    Lewis has seemed to get peeved way to easily this season, if he sorted his mind-set out I think he'd be much better for it.
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    looking at solely at results is not the way to judge a car if you do not take the context of the win, McLaren has been the fastest, just they've made sooo many ****-ups and had lots of bad luck, compared with RBR who have not finished outside the top 5, sheer luck and consistency has won it for Redbull, if it was the best car then it would've won all the races, but it hasn't, it's won half of them, mainly due to McLaren imploding in qualifying or the race with strategy/driver **** ups, I guess you're all denying it so as to give Lewis an excuse for losing.
     
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  4. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Red Bull have had the best car, then McLaren, then Ferrari. And McLaren are closer to Red Bull than they are to Ferrari in my opinion, yet find both drivers over 100 points off Vettel and behind Alonso.

    I don't like getting drawn into these "if so-and-so was in such-and-such a car blah, blah, blah", but if Alonso was in a McLaren, Vettel would still be having to fight for the championship. McLaren as a team (including drivers) have underperformed this season, they haven't even put up a fight for the title, which simply isn't good enough for a team of their standing. Ferrari have got it badly wrong, but Alonso has been immense. Both Vettel and Red Bull have got it right all season and that's why they're so comfortable.
     
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  5. u408379965

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    Merged. No point having the same discussion on two different threads. <ok>
     
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  6. Masanari

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    This is my view on it:

    Australian Grand Prix - Red Bull had the fastest car and won.
    Malaysian Grand Prix - Red Bull had the fastest car and won.
    Chinese Grand Prix - Red Bull had the fastest car but got their strategy wrong and should of won.
    Turkish Grand Prix - Red Bull had the fastest car and won.
    Spanish Grand Prix - Red Bull and Mclaren very even, either car could of won it.
    Monaco Grand Prix - Mclaren had the fastest car but bad performances and bad luck stopped them, should of won.
    Canadian Grand Prix - Again it was close, Red Bull perhaps a little quicker, Vettel made a mistake but Button probably would of passed anyway.
    European Grand Prix - Red Bull had the fastest car and won.
    British Grand Prix - Ferrari had the best car, Alonso won.
    German Grand Prix - Mclaren had the fastest car and won.
    Hungarian Grand Prix - Mclaren had the fastest car and won.
    Belgian Grand Prix - Again it was very close and hard to tell Mclaren maybe a tad quicker, either could of won.

    Red Bull won 4/5 races they had the fastest car.
    Mclaren won 2/3 races they had the fastest car.
    Ferrari won 1/1 races they had the fastest car.

    Red Bull won 2/3 races where it was pretty even.
    Mclaren won 1/3 races where it was pretty even.

    So the one race in which Red Bull did not win when they had the fastest car was due to strategy error, and the one race in which Mclaren did not win when they had the fastest car was due to strategy error and bad luck.

    Red Bull won two out of the three races where the Red Bull and Mclaren were pretty even, this could be due to the Red Bull's qualifying performance meaning they always started on pole.
     
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  7. di Fredsta!

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    Red Bull are fastest in Qualifying, but Mclaren are on another level in the race. Mclaren have the best race car (which is most important) but they keep making mistakes and RB are pouncing on them. How do you work out Ferrari were best in Silverstone when it was obviously Red Bull.
     
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  8. RoadRunner

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    Er Fred....Alonso set the fastest lap and easily romped away from Vettel and Hamilton even after Vettel got past the latter
     
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  9. ApexF1

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    And he was within a tenth or so of pole, where we know Red Bull find about half a second between Q2 and Q3.
     
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  10. di Fredsta!

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    Massa has had about 5 fastest laps this year :p Does that mean Ferrari are the best? I would say that RedBull were the best but Alonso won with clean air etc.
     
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  11. RoadRunner

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    2 actually for Massa. It's Webber that's had 5 :D
     
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  12. Forza Bianchi

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    My final sentence in my earlier post assumes perfect car reliability, no driver mistakes and no issues with things like pit stops or starts. McLaren aren't as quick in qualifying but they make up for it in the race.

    In addition to McLaren's four wins, the car definitely had the pace to win at Monaco, Spain and Belgium. I also believe they had the pace to possibly beat Red Bull at Australia and Malaysia. That's why I said they could have won 8-9 races.

    Since the team only have 4 wins, both McLaren drivers have underperformed. Anyone who doubts this should take a look at the Championship standings and ask themselves why Alonso is ahead of both McLaren drivers.
     
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  13. EternalMSC

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    Oh I didn't see the part where you assumed perfect reliability and driver skill..
     
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  14. di Fredsta!

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    Fair enough, I knew he had a few at the start of the season so I thought he'd have more. Fastest laps mean nothing tbh, look at last year. Both Alonso and Hamilton had 5 (the most out of anyone) and Red Bull were clearly the best car then.
     
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  15. ApexF1

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    Some of that mainly because Red Bull turning the wick down at the end of the race.
     
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  16. allsaintchris.

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    And their KERS issues.

    Didn;t that affect them in Spain and China to name but too which made McLaren look more competitive against them?

    Am sure they had issues in other races too with it, or other small technical issues which would have slowed them a bit.

    But of course, that would not be good for the people who want to make out that the McLaren drivers are under-performing.
     
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  17. Forza Bianchi

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    McLaren were let down by their drivers today not in terms of qualifying position but overall laptimes. The car was capable of going quicker and they were lucky Alonso didnt make them pay for their mistakes.
     
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  18. allsaintchris.

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    I can't see where either of the drivers could have made up the gap to Vettel.

    Neither made that many mistakes to make up for the 0.5s+ gap.

    Vettel is simply in a class of his own at the moment.
     
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  19. mephistopheles

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    How could you possibly assume that?
     
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  20. GUEST

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    do you think that this being his worst season will make him better next season?i think lewis hates with a passion not being able to push hard from start to finish.he hates having to look after his tyres.but i think now(and we'll see if im right)now its finally dawning on him that he has to be more patient and accept he cant win every race and so he needs to accept that just finishing the race and getting some points is more important.but wont that dull down his driving?
     
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