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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v PSV Eindhoven

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Refs most definitely ****ed us but I’m beginning to lose patience with Lloris, maybe I’ve even lost it. How many more goals or points is he going to cost us? Was blinding against West Ham the other day but how often over the past 14 or so months have we been able to say that? He’s costing us way too much now. More fool Poch for dropping Gazzaniga as well when he was in excellent form.

    Even though statisctially this has been our best start to a league season, it’s also been the most unenjoyable under Poch, our football has been dire and we just don’t look like a well drilled unit anymore. Set piece after set piece we concede from and with a keeper who’s constantly ****ing up, it’s just adding to the troubles.

    I can’t wait til January because we better make some big ****ing signings otherwise we can kiss goodbye to this ‘golden generation’ in the summer.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They barely had a kick against Napoli and didn't manage a single shot on target.
    They also scraped the game against Huddersfield, due to some "controversial" refereeing decisions.

    Don't get me wrong, they're a good team and they play attacking football most of the time.
    Turning over a poor side with no fans at the game, while getting two penalties isn't the best example of that, though.
     
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    We failed to turn over a poor side. They turned us over instead, because we sat back and failed to finish them off.

    Even without 2 penalties they’d have beaten them comfortably.

    I like the way they keep attacking when they’re in front. Something we could learn from.
     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They didn't turn us over. We drew. The circumstances were also completely different.
    They got the right (presumably) decisions from the officials. We didn't.
    PSG put six past the same side and they've been implicated in match fixing because of that.
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...gue-psg-red-star-belgrade-match-fixing-claims

    We need to learn how to see out games like tonight's, but I don't think that theirs is a good example to use.
     
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    Blaming officials doesn’t cut it with me. We could and should have finished them off. They’re a poor CL side.

    Our own timidity and indecisiveness meant we didn’t.
     
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    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm happy to address both. We should've beaten them and the officials were ****.
     
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  7. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    I'm telling you we won't be signing anyone!

    and this summer gone was one of the most important for us in the transfer window in order to move forward. Team seems to be mentally exhausted...they seem to huff and puff through games with the odd sparkle seeing us through(Lamela, Lucas). That's why fresh faces are important...our two best players are, one, who has been here 10 months and the other, who was out for a year. The rest seem to have hit their collective achievement ceiling and we always fall short at the same type of scenario.

    We need new players to wake this bunch up...but Levy's philosophy will not let that happen.
     
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    Dembele being booked when the PSV player slipped on his backside without any contact just about summed the referee up tonight.
     
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  9. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Time will only tell on that but if we do fail to strengthen in the winter window, there’s going to be a very hostile atmosphere around the club.

    What was meant to be a season of promise and excitement is seemingly depleting day by day. The stadium fiasco, increased season ticket prices, lack of signings and the dire standards of play is killing this season.
     
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    Are you ready my friends for Poch's favourite reserve tournament? Do you really think we are good enough to win the PL?Nope! Our players have been pretty much playing together for several seasons and should have a least one trophy.But no.Wew continue to be better than most in the PL but not as good as a few.
    Let us,please! go hell bent for a cup or two in England....with our best players,not the blooming reserves! Yes,I know about injuries this season but what happened in the previous seasons? We couldn't do it!
    We need a bit of iron and areal captain!
     
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  11. Roo

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    Were in the best 16. I think it’s safe to say that our CL performances this season have put us near the bottom end of the 32.

    For the first time ever, I agree with you. We’ve won games by such narrow margins this season, but it’s not been good by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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  12. Roo

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    Sadly mate, I think January will disappoint you.
    The squad desperately needs fresh faces. However, we know that when it comes to signing players, the additions won’t be brought in for the start of January. We never bring anyone in at the start of the transfer window. It’s more likely to be deadline day so levy can barter.
    Then we’ve got the issue of how long it will take before we actually see them included in the team. We could be looking at March time. Will that be too late?

    This is without even considering who we would be able to purchase in a traditionally difficult window.

    We failed to buy anyone in a long summer window and were told there was no one who would improve us without spending ridiculous money. The monetary side of things will only be more difficult in January, so I fail to see who we are going to sign without being “brave”, as Poch once said. We didn’t change our approach in a summer window that was massive for the club, so why will things change now?

    Lack of competition for certain positions, (and bemusement over that not being addressed), is exactly why we’re seeing what we’re seeing on the pitch.
    IMO the players don’t know where we’re going or what the intent of the club is after seeing our rivals improve where they needed strengthening. This mentality is being reflected in their performances.
    I honestly believe that many of the players had the new stadium carrot dangled in order to keep them this season and that has been the final kick in the nuts.
     
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  13. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    I hope Levy sorts the stadium out quickly and starts looking for an investor who is interested in the football side of things...he can stay on as chief cashier in the club shop if he wants.
     
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    Playing in the new stadium will lift the players and the fans, no doubt. Everyone needs it so much right now.
    But he’s got some big decisions to make in January. What we should have seen in the summer needs to happen this time round. The knock on effect will me massive otherwise, IMO. Sadly, I just can’t see it being any different.
     
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    We all live in optimism that something will happen because that's football..you have to have hope...but it won't happen.

    This set of players have become a bit comfortable in their positions. We as a club showed that just missing out is fine...because the owner showed no interest in purchasing...we got told to **** off by Villa over Jack Grealish...I might be wrong but Levy wasn't willing to pay 25 mill? That shows we won't pay money...we ain't buying no one...and this set of players play like untouchables hence the same approach and mistakes. It's no wonder our only real competition is coming from the attacking 3...it's the only position we have real competition in. The rest are comfortable and all they are capable of is hitting their collective ceiling of capability...time after time this group gets stuck at the same juncture.

    Some fans say and I agree to a point regards how it was individual errors that cost us and nothing to do with fresh players etc but the whole point of purchasing new players...good enough players is so that when players keep on making the same errors they know they need to up their game or they are getting benched...who benefits? Spurs. Instead these players know they are untouchable and since they can't eradicate their own thoughtless mistakes on the pitch and have no real pressure in losing their positions...they don't need to work on these things with the necessary urgency.

    Getting dropped works...it always works for good players...it always seems to work for Martial at United...missing a year of football worked for Lamela...it wasnt the year out...it is probably more to do with the fact that he knows he has to up his game to get in the team and he has and his performances have been consistently the most influential so far. people have become too attached to the group of players who were chasing Lesta a few seasons ago and it's like everyone wants to prove a point about how they are/were good enough to win things but I'm afraid they are not and they need upgrading.
     
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    Sorry but I feel a bit of a rant coming on – I am fed up with our inability to see out matches, we lose the lead in big matches that we appear to be controlling far too often and we don’t learn from these mistakes.

    I fear this is going to be a long hard season, too many players have played too many matches in this calendar year and although that’s not all the clubs fault, it is a fact and is also I think resulted in some of the injuries we have picked up. Top 4 is going to be a real struggle I currently see 4 teams playing better football than us and its true we can improve but we have saying that for 3 months of the season now and its not happening.

    The stadium is a complete fiasco and is damaging the club at the moment as we appear to have no direction from the top, it was a massive mistake to make promises we couldn’t meet in terms of haaving the stadium ready, it will be amazing when he do move in but this is one of those wonderful hindsight moments where we should have made no promises as to when we would move in as it has just made us look silly.

    Finally the players – talk of this ‘golden generation’ being sold off really is beginning to not bother me because this group of players continually disappoint us, we win lots of matches against the smaller teams and occasionally turn over one of the big boys, but we have nights like last night all too often. Good money can be got for many of them and I really wouldn’t be that sad if Hugo, Toby, Rose, Dembele, Son and Eriksen (and a few others) were moved on if we signed some real winners to replace them and I know Hugo won the world cup but I am not sure that, that counts he was his usual mix of good saves and ‘eccentric’ moments for France too.

    Sorry for being negative, but I really feel that we may need to clear out a few to move forwards.
     
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    There was a passage of play near the end where we were knocking it around and getting further into their box...it came to Kane...he had 3 players around him...Kane..didn't look up...he was postured in a way to suggest he is going to try to weave his way past them...instead he just gave up..the ball rolled past him and they ran off with it.

    He looked shot, devoid of inspiration and belief and that results in him looking like a lumbering oaf who will still see out the whole game. He is also dropping way too deep..he's not the most electric and he tries to carry the ball...always trying too much...you got to get on board with team ethos always...that's how it works at City...Aguero thought he was the man when Pep came in...Pep soon changed that. Aguero being the consummate pro he is..rose to the challenge...result? An even better Aguero.

    Poch needs to find his balls..the ones he had when he joined us and was set on fixing the attitude of this club and those within it...hence we were on fire in that season against Lesta...some of the best football I'd seen...being Daddy isn't helping.

    We look jaded as a collective and I blame Levy for not taking the team as seriously as he should be...this is after all football and not the Apprentice...or stop telling the fans a load of fibs..sick of the smoke and mirrors...get the **** on with paying attention to the team ASAP...the Spurs badge represents a cockerel sat on a ball not a cockerel sat on his shiny bald head FFS <doh>

    He's running out of excuses and one day he will run out of the stadium excuse aswell!!

    That's why good players leave...they need competition to improve the obvious talent they are well aware of possessing!
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Like I said to Spurly the other day, time's only gonna tell on that.

    Everyone knows - even those somewhat trying to deny it - we messed up in the summer. We didn't even need to do much, it was literally a need to strengthen CM and then maybe get someone in to replace Llorente/ Janssen. Why we dallied about so long with Grealish I'll never know, same goes for potential other targets that may not have got the media attention.

    But one thing's for sure, we do have the chance to rectify/ salvage the season in January. We're not a club that does much in January windows but we're also not a club that usually does nothing in the summer window either, so this has to be the exception.

    The fans are growing impatient and the displays on the pitch are leaving a lot to be desired. Liverpool, Watford and Inter have shown that we can't always scrape a victory with a poor performance. The board need to act and act fast once that window opens, theoretically we should be getting deals in place now to ensure that come the first week of the window, we should have 1-2 in at least.
     
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    Quick get me a razor blade someone! I need to slash my wrists!

    There should be a thread warning for the pile of doom and gloom above. Literally feeding off one another to see who can be the most negative. You have the cheek to talk about optimism Spurlock <laugh>

    Are we facing relegation?

    Gonna be a great weekend I'd better ignore this thread and get back to the real world. Maybe just pull the plug and drown the lot of them

    Unbelievable! It shows how difficult it is to manage or run a football club when you have fans who seem to live in some sort of fantasy world where their expectations are limitless.

    How ****ing dare we lose a game!

    Oh hang on we drew, but fair enough we might just as well have lost, anyway where were we? Oh yes sack Levy sack MP, sell half the first team and then sell the stadium and spend 500 million on a new striker because obviously Kane is finished.


    Yeah right! <laugh>
     
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  20. Spurlock

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    I believe some of these players you mention are good enough...well certainly Son and Eriksen...but they need competition..this means we need to invest...then I end up back to Levy...then I'll get told about the stadium.

    I feel as though Levy has got us over a barrel with this....and another few years will pass. These footballers don't think like fans...they won't stick around forever like us...they have careers and ambitions.

    Call it what you want, psychology or human nature but if a human being has no competition then he will fall into his own comfort zone sooner or later.

    Lloris is strolling with his attitude...yeah the ref maybe should have given the yellow but that's not the point. Lloris seems to have his head elsewhere or he would as a professional footballer at the top of his game judge the situation better...we can all make mistakes but time after time? Some fans will say he had a blinder against West Ham and he got us 2 points, he did but does that excuse him rushing out of the box in our last two CL games and totally messing up the whole dynamics in both? Not good enough for a top end player...Alderweraild dozing...all these players are coasting because they get an easy ride.

    We've won 7 out of 9 in the league but we are not turning up against the teams that require us to step up...we might beat those that we can whilst in our strolling attitude. See what happened when Watford went a goal behind and upped the tempo? We couldn't snap out of our comfort zone and they turned the game in its head.

    This set of players need real competition.
     
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