Not sure how accurate your first point is without looking. Your second point makes no sense, the war has being on for alot longer than Hamas have been in power & stretches to more than Gaza - the West Bank & pretty much the surrounding areas which are pieces of land subjected to land grabbing which is illegal. Your third point is the most stupidest thing I've ever read on the internet You obviously have no idea about the conflict at all, it is to do with who has acted wrong in taking land that does not belong to them & firing illegal weapons on to civilians. The fact that most of the western world stands by without a word suggests they are don't care or even side with Israel. Their religion as has been stated is nothing to do with it as many Jews are against Israel.
Let's have it your way Between 1948 and 1967 Gaza/West Bank were under the control of Egypt and Jordan respectively. Yet this did not stop the formation of the PLO and the 1967 war (started by the Arab countries). In addition Egypt and Jordan made no attempt to set up a Palestinian state. So clearly the idea that Israel is to blame for taking land that does not belong to them is incorrect
The internationally recognized government of the gaza strip is democratically elected by the native Palestinians. Therefore technically hamas "Ownership" on the other hand, is generally determined by military force. And so at this point in history, the answer to your question is still open. however it depends how far back an which history you chose to believe. the truth or the israeli/some jewish version? i say some jewish as not all jews agree with israel/zionism Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_owns_gaza_strip-_the_palastinians_or_isreal#ixzz1WqcRaraY
I would say that israel owns it, because they are the more prosperous nation, and can afford to run gaza, whereas the broke palestine can't.
Why are the Palestinians broke??? Israel accept the fact there will be a Palestinian state which includes Gaza & the west bak,however, they do not agree the Gaza should be as it is now ie they want more of the land and do this by illegal land grabbing. Go to any human rights website and read up on it, an impartial view of people who have been there and no all the facts
I was just siding on personal preference. Israel isn't too bad, but palestine is full of Hamas terrorists. I don't like terrorists.
that is a very simplistic way of putting it, and i can see your reasoning. however israel is no 'prosperous' in the true sense if we look at it your way then america owns it. as they pay the 'rent' and it suprises people that egypts military is funded by the us too as i posted before any true/fair elections or taking the issue to the UN is met with US vetos and threats of declarations of war some one once said israel is englands bastard child that is being raised by an american father
I don't disagree that land was sold to Israel by Arabs but the discussion here is about the here & now whereby Israel is land grabbing, sectioning off areas to evict Palestinains & rehouse jewish people in them. Its pretty much what happens when certain countries invade &/or involve themselves in other countries & make a sharp exit......India, Ireland, Palestine.........now we have Afghanistan, Iraq
I am anti-religion, I have about as much respect for Judaism as I have for Christianity, Scientology or any other voodoo. I grew up inside a sectarian divided enclave with English soldiers in full battle gear roaming around - if I needed some ethnic group to be hateful towards Jews would have been well down the pecking order - and hear I am with a Protestant missus and my best friends being English and indeed some ex Army. Yes I knew the Jewish religion existed but what to hell reason would I ever have developed to be bias against Jews over any other obscure ethnic grouping on the planet? No, I think you'll find my opinions towards Israel are confidently post-judged and not prejudice. I understand both sides have suffered greatly, but we've got two sets of people living within the same land border - one of them has a well funded western state, and the other has never had a chance to build anything close to resembling a state. Even now when the world is falling behind getting a final settlement with a two state solution Israel continues to oppose the mere notion of a recognised Palestinian state. No doubt the Palestinians have been engaged in blood baths and have hardened attitudes towards themselves, but while they keep them in stateless limbo with little prospects of jobs, education, infrastructure or health care then they are just pushing the next generation to continue on where the last extremist generation left off. It was the UN who helped create this mess after WWII so there is no reason why a heavy foreign influence can not artificially settle it. In an ideal world we would need a broad UN force to go in and dispose the Israeli government and military and implement a forced partition solution similar to the original plan after WWII (which the Palestinians, not Israelis, rejected). A solution which pushes back the illegal Israeli settlements to the UN agreed 1960's borders, which implements two states and which completely disarms both sides. Neither side can be trusted with an army and both have already proven as much to the world. The UN can be responsible for defence of the region against outside states. Of course this will never happen, it's much easier for the West to let them to continue murder each other.
hamas ar only thriving due to an absence of a 'real' authority. and israel are a bigger terrorist under UN rules/regulations they said the same about arafat, whose wife is/was a jew. most arabs knew he was a puppet
You need to read up on it Hamas have opened up schools, hospitals etc whilst Israel have been found guilty of various UN crimes.
The Palestinians have received more money in aid than bankers receive in bonuses (albeit bankers don't kill themselves and others) The anti-Israel brigade want to attack Israel and then whine about land grabbing when they are defeated. It is no coincidence that Gaza/West Bank only came under Israeli control after the attack by Egypt/Jordan/Syria The UN proposed a partition between Jews and Arabs in the 1940s but the Arabs said no while the Jews said yes It's about time those who pretend to care about the Arabs extended their "concern" to actual victims of oppression like the Tibetans, Sudanese, Kurds and North Koreans
that first bit is false palestinian aid goes through aid agencies and such and is in the millions. aid to israel goes directly to the govt and is in billions also After the January 2006 legislative elections, the 24-member Palestinian Authority cabinet was made up by a Hamas' member majority, including women and Christian. Between Sep. 29, 2000, and Jan. 16, 2003, there were 2,297 Palestinian casualties and 691 Israeli casualties according to a Jan. 16, 2003 United Nations Security Council report.
To be fair I think Mick has answered/commented on the points you have raised far better than I could, particularly regarding the border issue. I have said before I am not anti-Israel, its just I feel they are in the wrong in many cases which is why have commented on this article As for your final point, well I have been involved via my brother in work with raising awareness of the Tibetans. I have posted many times in support of several different groups whom I believe to be suffering like the Palestinians & Tibetans.
"and the other has never had a chance to build anything close to resembling a state" Sorry Mick but that is bollocks Gaza/West Bank have received billions in aid, not to mention Egypt/Jordan making no attempt to create a Palestine between 1948 and 1967. There is no good reason why billions in aid should not result in a modern day country. If you want to accuse Israel of land grabbing then you should compare its behaviour between 1948 and 1967 to its behaviour between 1967 and 2011
i wont go into oconnell, nasser, sadat, kissinger etc however eill repeat what i wrote before to highlight thta its israel and america who dont want the peace, and have said as much -one of the primary reasons behind Israeli objections to Palestinian statehood is that lack of statehood keeps Palestinian territories outside the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which prosecutes war crimes. -Palestinian Authority Justice Minister Ali Kashan had requested that ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo investigate alleged Israeli war crimes in the occupied territories since 2002, up to and including Operation Cast Lead. -After requesting multiple times that the US “state publicly its position that the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel regarding the Gaza operation,” Military Advocate General for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) Avichai Mandelblit “warned that PA pursuit of Israel through the ICC would be viewed as war by the GOI [Government of Israel].” -US Consul General for Jerusalem Daniel Rubinstein informed the Palestinian Authority that any effort to upgrade themselves to full statehood at the United Nations will result in a loss of all US aid. -Rubinstein, who was meeting with Palestinian official Saeb Erekat, told him that the UN bid was “useless” and that the US would use its veto if they approach the Security Council for recognition. An effort to find recognition in the General Assembly, though likely to pass would mean “punitive measures” from the US. -The Palestinians have promised to approach the Security Council in September and have raised the possibility of trying to move on to the General Assembly if (now apparently when) the US vetoes their bid for statehood. US officials maintain that no Palestinian state can exist until Israel formally approves of it, something which is extremely unlikely under Israel’s current right-far-right coalition.
There is no solution while the Arabs insist on no Israel whereas the Jews insist on a state of Israel However the Jews are nearer to a compromise than the Arabs are (just ask Bill Clinton, who blamed Arafat for the failure of negotiations) The Arab leaders use Israel as an excuse to distract attention away from their tyrannical rule
