The crime is, of course, still the same. The only major difference is that the one may have been organized and premedited whereas the other may not have been. We all know that once war starts then a hyped up adrenalin can take over, which is often fuelled by drug use. Soldiers throughout history have been doped up to do what they do right through from ancient times up to the present.
'Before the British arrived to bring some order' - that must be the joke of the year, the Colonizers always stirred up local patriotisms in order to divide populations, one ethnic group against the other - elevated the one group, put another to the bottom and so on. Exactly the same way as the English had always managed to divide the clans of the Highlands. Without this policy of 'divide and rule' the colonial experiment would have been stillborn.
Whether premeditated or on a whim, it’s still wrong....and there can be no excuse for any side to commit an atrocity.
There was huge and enduring tribal violence in Africa and India/Pakistan before the British arrived, sometimes taking over from other colonial powers. Look at the religious violence between Pakistan and India after the British left. This was nothing to do with divide and rule, simply religious and tribal differences. And it still flares up today.
That’s like what the Belgiums did with the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda.....any idea if they’ve admitted their ‘guilt’ in this and the subsequent massacres in that country ?
To be fair Goldie, the British had a massive part to play in stirring up religious violence during and after the partition in India and the formation of Pakistan......and the ****ing idiots (both Muslim and Hindu) lapped it up and happily Massacred each other.... Just stating facts
Anything usefull to contribute to the debate ? These are open boards where I do not have to ask your permission before coming on them. There is also no 'winding up' on my side, just giving of opinions and trying to counter arguments, just the same as anyone else does. I have also never seen you on the Watford forum and so you are not in a position to judge my postings there - Ok ?
No they didn't. The Assyrians did it long before, as did the Inca's and the Russians in the 18th century. The American's set up concentration camps in the Philippines and Cuba before the British set the Boer ones up, albeit the same year. ( 1900 )
The British presided over partition Stainsey alongside the national politicians. Is there blame there? It was British absence that allowed the violence to take place. Interesting that after India achieved independence, it elected to remain in the Commonwealth.
Mate, the facts are there that we, the British, stirred it all up, lit the touch paper and stood back to let the silly bastards kill each other. The stories are truly horrific and the British Government at the time we’re implicit in what happened..... Doesn’t have any bearing on where we are as a country right now of course.
He harks on about the British Empire and decides that he's moving to a country who's Empire committed far worse atrocities than the British? The weasel's beloved Greece, who's Greek Empire wasn't far behind either. Anyway, there's no one alive who was part of the British Empire, why should we apologise? It has **** all to do with us.
I could of course criticize other countries Col, but most of our debates on here centre on the UK. so that is my starting point. There are many things about British history which I am proud of, for example that the first attempt to form a trade union was there - but that is another side of British history, which is, in my opinion, the more important side.
not sure he's asking the british to apologise for it's past colonial conquests. I think cologne is more talking about the roles the British Empire played in its own atrocities (which until today i haven't really been aware of). I can sort of understand from the governments point of view though in terms of if they start admitting all this and apologising, they might be subject to paying compensation etc (which i would not agree with). Likewise there is only so much you can teach in the school curriculum and things will get missed out. Still interesting stuff boys. I do sense a lot of deflection and so and so was worse. IMO, certain things where war is war, things happen (like in syria) and whilst some acts are abhorrent, i can understand why things have been done. Luckily (or unluckily) we live in relatively peaceful times (at least in the UK) where weapons are now so dangerous that big wars are unlikely to break out.
Election expenses trial: South Thanet MP Craig Mackinlay and two aides at Southwark Crown Court By Lynn Cox [email protected] Published: 08:37, 15 October 2018 | A Tory MP and his two aides appeared in the dock accused of wrongly declaring expenses and breaching campaign spending limits during the 2015 general election. South Thanet MP Craig Mackinlay, 51, wore a navy two piece suit and striped tie as he appeared at Southwark Crown Court for his trial that is expected to last six weeks. He is accused of hiding spending in his 2015 General Election battle against Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, by not properly reporting expenses in his local return. please log in to view this image Craig Mackinlay at Ramsgate harbour Election agent Nathan Gray, 29, dressed in a smart suit and party activist Marion Little, 63, wearing a floral jacket over a black dress also appeared alongside him. The trio are all charged under the Representation of the People Act 1983. The charges relate to party's election expenses during the campaign in the constituency which were allegedly not properly reported to the Electoral Commission. It is claimed some expenses incurred during the campaign in South Thanet were wrongly attributed to national expenditure instead of local expenditure. If they had been done correctly they would have been in breach of spending limits, it is alleged. Mackinlay, of Ramsgate, is charged with two counts of "knowingly making a false declaration on an election expenses return." Gray, of Hawkhurst, is charged with one count of making false election expenses declaration on June 11, "namely in respect of the election expenses return for the long campaign period", which he knew to be false. He is also charged with a second count of "knowingly making a false declaration on an election expenses return". Little, of Ware, Herts, faces three charges of "intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence" in relation to the expenses returns. During the 2015 election, Mackinlay beat former Ukip leader Nigel Farage by more than 2,000 votes in the South Thanet constituency and re-elected as MP for the area in June's general election. A jury panel is expected to be selected and sworn today ahead of the prosecution's opening of the case at 10am on Tuesday.
look how much better the place is these days Pakistanis rally to demand death for Christian woman facing execution for blasphemy (PHOTOS) Published time: 13 Oct, 2018 20:47 Edited time: 15 Oct, 2018 09:47 Get short URL please log in to view this image Protesters are pictured in Lahore, Pakistan, on October 12, 2018. © AFP / Arif Ali Several thousand protesters hit the streets of Pakistan calling for the Christian woman accused of insulting Islam be put to death. Asia Bibi would become the first person executed for blasphemy if her appeal fails. The Pakistani city of Lahore was the center of Friday’s protests, which were organized by the anti-blasphemy party Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan (TLP). Demonstrations also took place in a number of other cities across the country, including Karachi and Rawalpindi. please log in to view this image Protesters are pictured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on October 12, 2018. © AFP / Aamir Qureshi The rallies came after Pakistan's Supreme Court heard the final appeal of Bibi, a Christian laborer accused of blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammed in 2009 by Muslim women she was working with in a field. According to Bibi's autobiography ‘Blasphemy: A Memoir: Sentenced to Death Over a Cup of Water’ the incident began when she went to retrieve a cup of water from a well during a hot day of fruit picking. please log in to view this image Protesters are pictured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. © AFP / Aamir Qureshi When a Muslim woman nearby saw her doing so she shouted, “Don't drink that water, it's haram (forbidden)!” She then turned to the other women in the field, telling them that Bibi had dirtied the water in the well by drinking from their cup. “Now the water is unclear and we can't drink it! Because of her!” the woman said. Several women called Bibi a “filthy Christian” and told her to convert to Islam. please log in to view this image Protesters are pictured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, on October 12, 2018. © AFP / Aamir Qureshi “I’m not going to convert. I believe in my religion and in Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of mankind. What did your Prophet Mohammed ever do to save mankind? And why should it be me that converts instead of you?” Bibi said. At that point, one woman spat on her while another shoved her. Days later, she was accused of blasphemy. Friday’s protests came despite the court saying it had reached a judgment at a hearing on Monday, but that it would not be released immediately for “reasons to be recorded later.” It also said that it had ruled on a petition that would put Bibi on the no-fly list if released, but did not publish that judgment either. please log in to view this image Supporters of the Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan (TLP) party surround the party's leader during the protest in Lahore. © AFP / Arif Ali Bibi's case has prompted international calls for her release, with Pope Benedict XVI joining in the calls in 2010. Pope Francis met with Bibi's daughter in 2015. Although Pakistan's law takes the accusation of blasphemy very seriously and people have been sentenced to death, no one has ever actually been executed.
