I'm more inclined - and forgive me for this - to believe one of the most respected people in football journalism than I am to believe bluememe off not606. ........ So when he leaves Leeds let's see who is right then and let's see where Grayson ends up!!
Very well then. If he ends up on the scrapheap, you can bump the thread; if he gets a decent job, I can bump it. Can you handle the gloat factor when I'm inevitably right?
I'm no fool, I'm a realist and I'm not a harsh judge of ability. I can honestly say, in twenty years of following football, Simon Grayson is the worst manager I have ever known. Most journalists are clueless and some (paticularly those who work at the Evening Post) lack basic English skills. Please ask Henry Winter what exactly he sees in Grayson for him to form the opinion that he is a good manager.
So you say when he leaves Leeds he will get a prem job??? Out of interest Leeds 18 what job in the prem do you see Grayson landing and why?
And yet again, Grayson supporters want it all ways. He can't stand up to Bates because he'd lose his job, yet he's so well thought of in football that he'd get another one easily. And don't trot out that nonsense about it being his dream job. It would be everyone of us on here's dream job but we wouldn't sit back and let the crap that's been going on take place, and we certainly wouldn't have signed Neill Collins and Billy Paynter!
Gary Mac is a good manager and I can back that belief up with reasons why. I've never seen one person provide a single reason why Grayson is a good manager. You're more likely to see people state reasons why he's not then still turn around and say they think he's a good manager.
Clive.... Macca was an amazing player for us and he will always fit in to me top Leeds squad ever.... But you call people out for being blind over Grayson... So Clive where is your white stick....... Macca was a poor Manager
Macca would have been an excellent number two to Grayson, I have no doubt Macca still has qualities to share with the football world but more on the coaching and developing side than managing. I cannot tell you how happy I was when he was made manager and I was very sad to see him go. My heart was ruling my head with Macca, I so wanted to believe he would get it right. Grayson makes mistakes, he is a young manager who will make many more mistakes, hell look at Harry Redknapp and Arsene Wenger, how experienced are they and look what happened to their teams last week.
Give these reasons why then. I'm not going to argue that Grayson is a good manager blah blah, but I want to know why you see to think Macca is a good manager. His record for us simply proves that wrong.
I don't understand how signing good players, bringing good young players through, playing good football and getting good results can be seen as a poor record. Things weren't perfect but he was only here 11 months and things have been far worse under Grayson. Why do Grayson's mistakes put him on a par with Arsene Wenger and Macca's (lesser) mistakes mean he shouldn't even be considered a manager? To say that he should be number two to a manager who's far worse than him is ridiculous and insulting. I find it disgusting the way people try to run down McAllister's reign as manager. Where do you think we'd be if Grayson took straight over from Wise?
Things have been far worse? You'd think we'd have gone down and finished 22nd on the first try, not gone up and finished 7th.
Where did I say that? I didn't even claim Grayson was on par, I said all managers make mistakes. Scrape though or not Grayson got us promoted, Macca was nowhere near to doing that. Grayson earned us some big scalps and some great performances in the cup, Macca got us knocked out to Histon.
The league is more important than the cups, especially in the lower leagues. Cup upsets happen all the time. Grayson has had some of the worst league results and performances in the history of the club. To say that Macca was nowhere near to getting us promoted is ridiculous. But if you can't see that, you can't see that, there's no point going round in circles with it. You've completely ignored my question as to why it's okay for Grayson to make mistakes and have poor results but not Macca.
In Div1 his record was played 50 won 25 which isn't great for a low division. He lost 5 on the bounce and got knocked out of the cup by Histon. He was sacked when we were 15 points adrift of the top and 5 points outside of the playoffs (in a piss easy league), the team not only lost 5 consecutive games, we looked disjointed and were playing terrible football. You suit your clown name that others have tagged you with if you really cannot see Macca was a lesser manager. Nothing else to say now clivetime, I have read your dribble 100 times or more and I really will not be replying to you again in this thread. I give an honest opinion on everything as I see it, Grayson isn't great he probably won't be in charge for too much longer but he is the best we can expect for now. He is better than Macca although I took to Macca better than Grayson but liking someone doesn't win you games.
Macca was sacked with us in a similar position to where Millwall got promoted from the season after. Seasons do not end in December. The problems with the defence only became apparent once the transfer window had shut and he wasn't given the opportunity to use the next transfer window. For some reason people only focus on Grayson's positives and Macca's negatives. The play-off 2nd leg at Carlisle was one of the best Leeds United performances of all time. But, yeah, we're just going to go round in circles here. If you enjoy falling over yourself to rubbish a club legend so much, there's nothing I can do about it.
