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  1. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I fully understand why you would make the comparison with 60's Alabama but swapping race for gender/sex doesn't work on lots of levels. The most obvious being you can't decide whether or not you're black you either are or you aren't. To compare that situation with the transgender one you'd have to add in that nature somehow 'made a mistake', that you don't identify as black and don't like people 'pigeon holing you' as black. You should have the choice to decide which toilet you use not based on what nature gave you but based on how you feel in response to that and your right to refuse to accept that you are actually black. [None of this would actually link to 60's Alabama obviously as there were no discussions around race issues, there were only heavily forced laws]

    It's getting to the point of where do you stop. What about women who are afraid of or intimidated by men and don't 'feel comfortable' [the go to gender phrase] using a toilet area that a man may walk into albeit in female appearance. Don't they have rights too?

    The % of transgender, non-binary individuals is miniscule. Does it need this much catering to? Just think how long it took disabled people to get their own user friendly facilities which still aren't widespread. Like blacks, the disabled can't decide whether to be disabled or not, their wheelchairs are either catered for or they're not. Let's get them enabled to use restaurants and cinemas etc. not to mention the toilets at these places before we start pandering to those who can actually physically use the facility designated for their biologically determined sex but are causing a fuss about the label on the door.

    I am fully aware btw that there are people who have genuine struggles to come to terms with their birth sex and don't feel like they are 'choosing' to be different. I just feel unless and until they transition they should use the toilet best suited to their genitalia.
     
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  2. BobbyD

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    I would say, toilets, changing rooms that sort of thing should be out of bounds for trans people until they are proper gender re-assigned. If they've still got their bits (or not got their bits) and want to use the other sexes toilets/changing rooms/showers etc then i'm strongly against this
     
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  3. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    It's very, very hard to please everybody. Sometimes giving some their 'rights' involves taking away another's e.g smoking in public places.

    If a man who identifies as a woman wants to be able to use a female locker room at a gym and walk around naked, he automatically takes away the right of the single mother with her young daughter to explain male anatomy at the time she feels is appropriate and when she feels her daughter can cope with the information.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    which is your right to be of course.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    It is very hard.

    Unless we've unisex changing rooms and everyone doesn't look and so forth (movie starship troopers) then the social norm someone is brought up in is how they perceive the world.

    the issue for me is are you now into the realm of ladyboys or trans who are not going to be waving things they don't want in little girls faces ;)
     
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    Well done JB....you've now upset the albino African support league <laugh>
     
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  7. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    It's a Pandora's box situation.

    This taken from the Telegraph four weeks ago -

    "The prison service has apologised after a transgender inmate, charged with raping a woman, sexually assaulted four fellow inmates just days after being remanded into an all female jail.
    Convicted *****phile Karen White, who was born Stephen Wood, was undergoing gender reassignment, but had not undergone full surgery, when she was accused of repeatedly raping a woman in 2016."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...accused-rape-remanded-female-prison-sexually/
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    There's no end to the complications ..... :emoticon-0104-surpr
     
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  9. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    <laugh>
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    its the only movie i can think of with communal showers.... which was btw the main selling point of movie.
     
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  11. DirtyFrank

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    Aliens
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    do you think she/he is the best representation of transgender community you could find <whistle>
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    ahhhhh aliens.

    she had not got the baps the redhead in starship bloopers had though.
     
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    You speak the truth there....
     
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    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    Denise richards
     
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  16. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Sandwich with Dina Meyer...best of both worlds lol

    250BCAA100000578-2925704-image-m-30_1422210814513.jpg ifNM7Ux.jpg
     
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  17. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I was looking at what can and does happen when you start messing with things.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Probably 100s of cases of the transsexual being beaten up you could have found.
     
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  19. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    No doubt.

    My main concern is what the potential risks are for people of one sex demanding access to toilets etc. [in my example, prison cell] of the opposite sex. You'd like to think everybody could be kept safe from harm no matter how they identify. People, including prisoners, get beaten and abused everyday. Males in male prisons get raped. It's very sad but almost impossible to prevent I guess. What is preventable though is asking for trouble by placing both sexes in one cell block based solely on what some individuals are demanding as a 'right'.

    How someone presents biologically is easy to determine. Men over here, women over there. Once you start trying to assess what's in someone's head about their gender identity, you open a can of worms. People can lie to manipulate the system and put not only others but themselves at risk of harm. Where do you stop?
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Thats a tough question as i'm sure many of us would think hmmm... how can this person be sure they will be happy when they've had this change anyway? so theres psychologists involved before this operations.

    In many ways it is a first world problem in many eyes.

    For me the more people push the more resistance is coming about and you get big sudden shifts not a gradual change. The US seems to be a huge hotbed of resistance to womens rights, the resistance to black lives matter is huge (btw wheres beyonce now) the popel being elected are more and more extreme in their views as well and all anti just about everything,.
     
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