I know wengers under alot of stick at the moment and personally I think he's the man to get arsenal out of trouble so this is not me trying to put arsene down. Wenger believes in youth. (perhaps not through the academy but youth none the less) Who was the last young unknown player he bought in that REALLY flourished?? Walcott? Definatly not. Too injured and inconsistent. I would say wilshere but he's not quite there yet. Ramsey also a good young talent but hasn't really wowed yet. Saf on the other hand bought through the young talents of Ryan giggs Paul scholes David beckham Gary Neville etc, made them all world class footballers and dominated English football with them. At the end of last season people start saying what's sir alex going to do without these players who have made united what it is today? Within 2 weeks of the new season the question has been answered. The new wave of young guns have stepped up and wowed the football world. My point is wenger has this stern philosophy to not spend big at bring in youth and has had many many players flop but sir alex seems to have nailed it again first time trying. Any ideas why this might be? Please no 'because wengers ****' I want a genuine debate not a playground row.
SAF has the spending power (other than the mentioned generation of Giggs etc) He has paid a lot of money out for youth this season, 18m, 17m and 18m for Young, Jones and De Gea. He spent 20m on Rooney and 30m on Ferdinand, something Arsene just can't do
I would say the main difference between the 2 is wenger relies mainly on youth players coming through the ranks and they then make up the bulk of his team. since the arsenal glory days when they had the like of viera, pires, henry etc they were all experienced quality players and there were a few youngsters coming through, wengers problem is when the experience went, he didnt bring many experinced players in to replace them. the like of wilshire, ramsey etc are quality young players but the dont have the experience yet. fergie on the other hand has always had a bit of a mixture of young and old players, this season our squads average age is probably under 25 but look how much experience our young players have. rooney, young, nani are all in there mid 20's but have been playing at the top level for years now
I think the main difference between AW and SAF is the coaching methods. Wenger takes a 'scientific' approach concentrating on fitness, diet, technical aspects etc. SAF i'm sure covers some of that but concentrates on tactics, knowledge of opposition and sheer 'man management' skill (possibly engendering a 'fear of failure' mentality too). Wenger could learn a lot from SAF but won't.
fergies 2 teams are like 20 years apart and the team(now) is supplimented with 30 million quid older players (rooney, ferdinand, berbatov etc etc) and don't shout so much about the united youngsters yet, they've not done much yet and you name fergys youth from like 20 years ago, but none of wengers? the invincibles maybe? fabregas? cole? etc etc etc
Totally agree spatcho. The thing is didn't he inherit the like or keown n the experienced heads from George Graham? Since those players left it's been a slippery slope as for the spending power. Hasn't there always been funds for a club thts self sufficient and making good annual profit? Also this season arsen have spent 56 mil on Oxlade chamberlain Mertesacker Artera Andre santos (benayoun loan) United have spent 51 million on Young Jones De gea Which 3 signings would you prefer for the money? Wengers has never had good experienced defenders since the players he inherited so has his philosophy ever worked? Really?
Wenger hasn't moved with the times. He inherited a good team in 96, added a few decent players from the continent and took them to the next level. He bought Anelka and Vieira who were young players and turned them into World Class talents. He also brought in Bergkamp, Petit and Overmars who were already established. You need that mix of youth and experience and he got it right then. With Adams and Bould in the defence, Parlour and Platt in the midfield and of course Seaman in net he had vast experience at his disposal. He continued to add well and Henry had come through, Gilberto Silva who had experience with Brazil and Lehmann replaced Seaman. Again he had great experience along with Pires coming in and Wiltord. By the time Petit was to leave Vieira was able to step in and take charge of the midfield. By the time they had won the League in 2004 it was time to think about replacing players again like Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Ljungberg but this time he didn't buy experience. He brought through Fabregas and van Persie but as great as they are, they aren't leaders. Around this time when his experienced heads were leaving he didn't go out and buy many established players. He tried to invest in youth. Since Henry left Arsenal haven't had a proper leader and I can't remember the last time they bought an established player to come straight into the side. United on the other hand have always had that mix of youth and experience and the importance of the younger players playing alongside players like Giggs and Scholes who have been there and done that is huge. Players like that will instill the winning mentality and what it means to win or lose into the younger lads. It is just a wheel that keeps on spinning. Players like Scholes retire than Anderson who has been in and out of the side for 4 years comes in, Players like Cleverley are thrown in at the deep end in big games and that gives them huge confidence. With Arsenal, Theo Walcott is one of the most expeienced players. He hasn't done ANYTHING in his career. What can the younger players like Frimpong learn from Walcott if he hasn't learnt anything himself? He has been playing for Arsenal since he was 17? He has just stagnated. van Persie is the most experienced Arsenal player at the age of 28. He has never won anything apart from the FA Cup and even then he was a bit part player. So in my opinion the younger players at Arsenal have no leader and no real experienced player to learn from when it comes to being at the top. I think the fact they haven't won anything in 7 years is becoming a mental block and perhaps these 4 signings will bring much needed experience to the younger players.
I agree mr wright they may not have done much but they've got RESULTS. Including an 8-2 thrashing (sorry I had to) Where's Ashley cole now? And fabregas? Where are there top class replacements? This is my point.
Not true at all. United and Arsenal both had offers accepted for Smalling (not sure which was higher but there can't have been much in it), we probably did outbid you for Jones, though Liverpool outbid both clubs, and Rafael and Fabio were signed for a pittance. The reason those pair came to United was two fold - 1) They had an agreement to come to United before Arsenal came in (though nothing had been signed). 2) Their mother was disgusted by the manner in which Arsenal went about attempting to poach them.
To be fair I don't think Man Utd offering more money for Jones beat Arsenal to his signature. Jones said: He also claimed: Money I feel wasn't really an issue. The lad wanted to play for Utd and staying in the North West was also important to him.
Considering how Utd have continued to progress and SAF has given more and more of the youth a chance, I wonder is Ramsey (an alleged Utd fan) regretting his decision to choose Arsenal over Utd?
MUFCOK Slight info correction; Wenger didn't sign Bergkamp, he was already with us when wenger arrived but you make some valid points otherwise.
I realised that when I clicked 'Post Quick Reply' as well. He arrived just before Wenger didn't he. Anyway Wenger was the one who made Bergkamp realise his potential and turned him into a world class player. I said Wenger because along with Adams, Bergkamp was the main reason in my opinion that Arsenal stepped up to the next level under Wenger.
The level of idiocy on this board is mind boggling ! One idiot says Wenger turned Bergkamp into a world class player !! He was world class when he went to Inter you donut. The OP says Wilshere isn't quite there yet ?? He was the best player for us last season and he is a starter in the England team ! The OP also tries to compare Fergie bringing through youth in comparison to Wenger. You plum ! Fergie joined Man U in 1986 but it was in 1990 that Giggs burst on the scene but then a further 3 years until Beckham et al burst through. Since The Nevilles, Butt, Beckham and Scholes who else has he brought through ? Forget Cleverly he hasn't done anything yet, Welbeck either. Know what you are talking about before you come on our board chatting Hezbollah !
Yes he was actually signed by Bruce Rioch!! Can't disagree with anything you've said about DB10 although he was previously well on the way to World Class status particularly in the 1994 World Cup which Holland narrowly lost 3-2 to Brazil.
