Off Topic UK / EU Future

May was warned her 'Robbins' proposal was unacceptable to all. Even Barnier prefers a Canada style deal that requires the addition of services to benefit all. This would maintain all of the red lines May originally started with.

 

There is little doubt that this Con/DUP government is turning out to be an embarrassment to all.
"Ultimately the EU cannot give May what she really needs, which is a Brexit model that will simultaneously satisfy the whole Tory party and win support from a majority in the Commons, without inflicting harm on the country. They cannot give her that because it doesn’t exist, never did, never will."

 

It was predicted from the start that preventing contagion was the EU's priority. May has been fed some dodgy advice by her Chancellor and the remainer filled civil service. Unless she is willing to reinstate proper negotiators then it is best if she steps aside. If a deal cannot be arranged before the UK leaves then we just move to WTO rules whilst keeping our cash to spend domestically until a workable deal can be thrashed out.

 

She knows that she must get a deal of some sort. She can call it what she likes, but she has to get a deal. There is a quite simple reason. Every organisation that looks at economic matters has said that the economy will crash to some extent. Take your pick on by how much, but no one says otherwise. This will have an effect on the property market, and that is the Tory Achilles heel. Forecasts have said there could be anything between a 10% and 30% fall in prices, and already estate agents are closing because the public are holding back to see what happens. You don't buy a house now unless you have to when you know that in six months time it could have a mighty chunk wiped off the price. Whenever prices in the housing market fall, people who are faced with negative equity turn against the Tories who are seen as having encouraged people to be property owners. A large fall of 30% in some of the high worth property areas in the south of England could see the party out of power for a decade.

 

The 30% fall prediction was only a stress test by a remainer who has been consistently incorrect. The economy is not certain to crash with a no deal, this is just an extension of the failed project fear. Apart from London prices have continued to rise, sales have been lower because of the ridiculously high level of stamp duty.

For the Tories to be out of power it requires a credible alternative, no such party exists.

 

It does seem to me that there is a clear parallel between Mrs May & 27 Eu leaders on one hand, and 1 contributor on here and all the others. The parallel is that Mrs May has got nowhere-(and has made useless proposals from the beginning), and our resident Brexiteer has got nowhere ( and has made no proposals-which is about as useless)

 

Do you not understand the Canada type deal plus an agreement on services? Some on here were recently backing the Chequers deal until they realised nobody supported it. My suggestion is much more detailed than any other forwarded on here, all the remoaners can come up with is a re-run, which is a nonstarter.
I have no problem representing the winning side on here matey.

 

The parallel is that Mrs May han't convinced anybody - with her arguments, and neither have you convinced anybody with your arguments.

 

What a shambles the political scene is currently. A deeply divided government party still trying to make out that it is fit to rule when it has to rely on an extreme minor party that is calling the shots.. An opposition that needs to do nothing more than sit on the fence and watch the collapse going on the other side of the chamber. The leaders are a serial rebel and a deluded serial failure. Backbench MPs who are actually concerned about the country, on both sides, struggle to get their voices heard above the strident call of the more extreme of left and right. All brought on by people who voted in a deeply flawed referendum without knowing what they do now. You have to go back many years to see the country in its current state, possibly to the Suez crisis.

 

You have ideal attributes to represent the loser side.

 

Thankfully we don't have a president (Macron) half as popular as Trump.

The aggressive actions of the EU politicians against May and her flawed civil service inspired plan will no doubt convince more Brits we need to leave this shamble of a club a.s.a.p.

Trump is raring to slap 25% import duty on EU cars once the UK leaves the EU.

 

As ever SH you seek to blame others for your ill judged decisions. Civil servants do what the ministers instruct them to do, and I cannot imagine that a professional would have dreamt up a plan that would clearly not meet the requirements of the CU and SM. So now we are led to believe that she will go away and come up with a new plan that does not try to break up the EU. The EU have simply stated that they will not changed the rules that work well for a country that doesn't see what they are leaving behind. Can you explain why they should? The 27 countries seem to be a lot more united than a single political party in the UK, which no longer even has a majority in parliament or the country on this issue.

 

The Chequers plan, which you unfortunately supported, was an obvious departure from Davis / Baker guidance. It was designed by senior civil servants who should have known better. It was a foolish remainers attempt to keep us too close to the EU.

Barnier has already said he prefers a Canada style deal which is similar to that offered by the knowledgeable ERG Group, May needs to radically change track or move over to allow a Brexiteer to complete the negotiations.

 

Actually like others have told you, I do not support Chequers, never have or will. There is only one good outcome for the country, which is to withdraw article 50. What is good for the country is not the same thing as what is good for the individuals within the Tory party who persist with the ridiculous notion that they can cherry pick bits and pieces that take their fancy. Barnier has not expressed an opinion on a Canada style deal, he has said that if that is all you want we can start the years of talks to bring one about, but forget financial services. You can read these sort of things in official reports, so stop closing your ears to things you would rather not hear.

 

Barnier: UK should seek a Canada-style deal - The Telegraph - FXStreet
Michel Barnier 'proposes Canada-style Brexit deal over May's ...

As somebody who has never accepted the referendum result you will continue to be disappointed by the UK government carrying out the wish of the people.
The EU will soon discover they need good access to the UK financial industry for their own benefit.

 

It didn't take the new Daily Mail editor long to realise the EU is a nest of vipers.

'The quicker we are out of this circus, the better': Backlash at French president Macron after he gloats that Britons are learning not to listen to Brexit 'liars'

 

Editor was quoting a government minister, not expressing his opinion. Do you get all your views from headlines?

 

The editor decides on content, hard to ignore such arrogant behaviour from the hapless Macron and buddies.

 

I can't see anything which Macron said that I don't agree with personally - nor do I see any sign of 'gloating' on his face whilst saying it.