1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic The Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

?

Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    And then if you had 50 options on a ballot paper and it was still leave someone would say "oh we didn't know about that so let's have another".
    Bob there is no appetite for another vote. We have done it and people need to respect the result. Leave means leave. It doesn't matter if it's through the door, out the window, up the chimney or under the cellar... it's done.
    IMO the quicker the better.
    If people are not happy in 40 years they can vote again.
     
    #21601
  2. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2018
    Messages:
    2,287
    Likes Received:
    1,700
    Nope France is good enough for me as I am 100% pro Europe
    33 here today no bollocks no fluff

    will do me fine
     
    #21602
    bobmid likes this.
  3. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2018
    Messages:
    2,287
    Likes Received:
    1,700
    Agree I respect the vote no need to have another one it was done simple as that
    I do not have any faith in U.K. politics and policy in a few years that may change but I am not waiting on the current state to get things right ... I simply know I have made the best choice for my family and myself
     
    #21603
    bobmid likes this.
  4. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,326
    Likes Received:
    16,125
    Best be happy with the chequers deal then fella. If that goes ahead (which is looking likely) remember you voted for it!!
     
    #21604
    BobbyD and Stroller like this.
  5. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    So did you if you voted remain because if we didn't have all the remoaners trying to sabotage Brexit at every chance we might have held a better hand.
    At the end of the day if it is Chequers it will only be a start of a complete exit from the dying EU.
     
    #21605
  6. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    That's great DT....so get on with it and let us in the UK deal with the day to day running of our country. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
    #21606
    DT’s Socks likes this.
  7. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,326
    Likes Received:
    16,125
    I didn't vote as I've stated many times before. I didn't quite understand the scenarios posed. It's been one lie after another! Remainers obviously voted to remain, thats quite simple but yes they have been screwed but a lot less than the leavers. Agree about the sabotage though. The Tories have really ****ed it up big time. Can't see a complete exit mate not without another load of **** and referendum etc etc. Chequers it may just be !! What a waste of time if it is.
     
    #21607
    ELLERS likes this.
  8. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186

    Firstly apologies as I forgot you didn't vote. :emoticon-0148-yes:
    Still time to sort mate. Three days to watch out for (tonight May with EU) Monday (Tory meeting re Brexit) and when Corbyn address the labour party. We should get a much better idea after next week.

    On another note, there has been another memo leak! <laugh>
    Can't these people keep documents in an envelope? Apparently, airports won't cope with a No deal? <doh>
    It really is like Hitlers last stand isn't it.
     
    #21608
  9. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,872
    Likes Received:
    231,745
    please log in to view this image

    Now we know: the EU was lying about Ireland
    Ella Whelan
    Columnist
    Brussels whipped up fears about the Irish border to bash Brexit.
    F
    19 September 2018
    For months the European Union has been whipping up fears about what Brexit might do to Ireland. As soon as negotiations between Theresa May and EU leaders began, the Irish border was invoked as an unfixable problem. As far as the EU was concerned, there were two options: create a hard border in Ireland to accommodate the fact that the North would be outside of the EU and the South still inside it, and in the process give rise to the Troubles 2.0; or just give up on Brexit and keep Northern Ireland and ideally the whole UK inside the Customs Union.
    Now, however, it seems the Brussels bureaucrats are changing their tune. Newspaper reports tell us the EU is ‘secretly preparing to accept a frictionless Irish border after Brexit’. So perhaps the Irish border wasn’t such a big problem after all. The Times reports that, ‘EU negotiators want to use technological solutions to minimise customs checks between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic’. This would include using barcodes on ‘trusted trader’ shipping containers. As for the much talked-up problem of congestion at the border, EU negotiator Michel Barnier’s deputy Sabine Weyand is now assuring EU ambassadors that, ‘for the main part, these controls would not have to happen at a border’.
    Hold it right there. After months and months of scaremongering about the danger of a hardened Irish border, EU officials are now open to the idea of having a straightforward hi-tech border? The Guardian reports that Barnier has ‘repeatedly insisted that the issue can be “de-dramatised”’. Really? Perhaps we need to remind ourselves of Barnier’s own penchant for drama in relation to Ireland and Brexit.
    ‘Brexit created a specific problem in Ireland’, he wrote in the Irish Sunday Independent in April this year. If the UK withdraws from the Single Market and Customs Union, that will ‘make border checks unavoidable’, he reportedly said to colleagues in Brussels in January. When visiting a food-export business in County Monaghan in May last year, he said talks about the border would be ‘very complex and difficult’.
    Anyone who is still defending the EU as the reasonable, honest side in the Brexit negotiations must now admit they were wrong. It is scandalous that EU officials sought to profit politically from scaremongering about violence in Ireland, as a way of weakening Brexit, and yet now essentially admit that what Brexiteers have long argued – that the border is a fixable problem. Even Taoiseach Leo Varadkar played the EU’s cynical game. Having spent months warning that Brexit would be bad for Ireland, and would endanger border country, he now seems rather chirpy – he gave a speech to workers in Donegal recently in which he said he is confident that Brexit will happen quite swiftly.
    The EU cannot be trusted. It says one thing and means another. It has no qualms about stereotyping Irish citizens as gunmen in waiting, ready to be propelled into a new round of violence by any kind of trading disagreement. And it lies, too. As Kate Hoey told spiked in July: ‘They’re forgetting that there is a border there already… and if you stand at the border you will see, every now and again, vehicles being stopped on either side.’ The idea that Brexit would change everything in Ireland was always a fallacy.
    Technical, logical, sensible solutions to the Irish border question have long been available, but the EU chose to ignore them in order to bash Brexit. It exploited Irish history and Irish concerns to try to weaken British democracy. It sees nations as mere playthings in its power plays. The Irish border discussion is a reminder of the EU’s ruthlessness.
     
    #21609
  10. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    30,811
    Likes Received:
    28,810
    Brilliant, more from Spiked, the successor organ to Living Marxism, now a collection of confused libertarians.
     
    #21610
    kiwiqpr likes this.

  11. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,872
    Likes Received:
    231,745
    whats happened to todays youngsters that they seemingly cant cope with anything
    when did the ambulance service become uber


    One in ten Londoners would call ambulance if their child’s hand got stuck in a jam jar, report reveals
    please log in to view this image

    56 per cent of Londoners said they knew when to call an ambulance ( Getty Images )

    One in ten Londoners would call an ambulance if their child’s hand got stuck in a jam jar, a new report has revealed.
    A new survey has focused on the reasons why Londoners may ring the emergency service and found that 10 per cent of London parents would ring an ambulance in such a situation.
    But the poll of 1,000 adults living in the capital found that Londoners have a "high degree of confidence" in their own knowledge of when to call an ambulance, with 56 per cent strongly agreeing with the statement "I know when to call an ambulance".
    Millennials were less confident than older people - 36 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds strongly agreed, compared to 74 per cent of those over 55.
    A report detailing the findings, which forms part of London Assembly Health Committee's investigation into the future of the London Ambulance Service, found that nine in 10 of those surveyed said that ambulance services should only be used in emergencies.
    But the report suggests that people will still call for an ambulance if there are no other options available, even if they know it is not an emergency.

    One in three of those polled said they would call an ambulance in a non-emergency situation because they did not know what else to do.
    People also had different views on what constitutes as an emergency, the authors wrote.
    While 23 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds would call an ambulance because they could not get an urgent GP appointment - for over 65s this was 6 per cent.
    And more than half of 18 to 24-year-olds would call an ambulance in a non-emergency situation because they have no other way to get someone to hospital.
    Dr Onkar Sahota, chairman of the London Assembly Health Committee, said: "Paramedics are highly skilled professionals providing a first line of treatment to those most in need of urgent healthcare.
    "We need to ensure that all people, of whatever age, know the various ways to get health care.
    "Sadly, the 999 system can be abused by those with spurious issues but it also has to cover for problems in other parts of the healthcare system.
    "We all need to work together to make the best use of our precious ambulance service resources."
    London Ambulance Service chief executive Garrett Emmerson added: "The latest poll of Londoners shows we need to remind people, of all ages, to use us wisely and only call 999 in a genuine emergency.
    "We are delighted that the survey shows that the overwhelming majority of Londoners have confidence in us and think our staff do an excellent job.
    "It's fantastic their dedication and hard work - which we see every day - has received this recognition from the public."

    Quarter of young Londoners would dial 999 if they couldn’t see a GP, study shows
    please log in to view this image

    One in 10 Londoners would call 999 for an emergency ambulance if their child got their hand stuck in a jam jar, according to a new report ( PA )

    One in three Londoners would call 999 for an ambulance even if there was no need for urgent hospital care, a survey revealed today.
    The figure rose to more than half among 18 to 24-year-olds, prompting calls for young Londoners to be better educated in how to access non-emergency healthcare.
    Four in 10 Londoners mistakenly believed that calling 999 would get them seen faster at A&E, and one in 10 said they would call an ambulance if a child got a hand stuck in a jam jar.
    The findings were published today by the London Assembly’s health committee as part of an ongoing investigation into the challenges facing the London Ambulance Service.
    It is the country’s busiest ambulance service and receives more than 1.9 million calls a year. But demand is soaring — calls are up 13 per cent year on year — and there are persistent staff shortages, meaning increasingly it has to decide which calls to prioritise.
    The most serious emergencies, such as cardiac arrest, are reached in seven minutes but it can take two and a half hours to attend lower-priority cases.
    Today’s report, based on 105 responses to an online focus group and polling of 1,013 people by Populus, found one in five respondents had called an ambulance in the last six months, but many had done so “unnecessarily”.
    Almost a quarter of young Londoners said they would call an ambulance if they could not get a GP appointment, while nearly one in five of Londoners of all ages said they were unaware of the NHS 111 non-emergency 24-hour phone line. More than 90 per cent of respondents accepted ambulances should only be used in emergencies.
    The report said the LAS, Mayor and NHS should promote “informed and responsible use” of the ambulance service and make people aware of the alternatives to dialling 999.
    Onkar Sahota, Labour chairman of the assembly health committee, said: “Sadly, the 999 system can be abused by those with spurious issues but it also has to cover for problems in other parts of the healthcare system. We need to work together to make the best use of this precious resource.”
    LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson said: “The latest poll of Londoners shows we need to remind people of all ages to use us wisely and only call 999 in a genuine emergency.”
     
    #21611
    Staines R's and Steelmonkey like this.
  12. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    At the end of the day, whether in or out, we will remain a country deeply divided by this, which does not bode well for the future. At the end of the day what has happened is this: A referendum which was not necessary was called in order to keep the Tory Party together. As a result of that one half of Britain is forcing the other half to give up their citizenship of the EU. against their will, they are being forced to give up rights which they were often brought up with. In Scotland's case a whole country is being forced to sever a connection against their will. Despite this we do not hear any word of reconciliation from the Brexit side, only ''You lost get on with it'', after all this the British will still have to live with these rifts which have appeared, how will they do this ?
     
    #21612
    Stroller likes this.
  13. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,872
    Likes Received:
    231,745
    honda will be staying whatever the outcome
    please log in to view this image
     
    #21613
  14. TheBigDipper

    TheBigDipper Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    857
    Likes Received:
    668
    Not the first time LeaveEU has misled people. The quote in white is accurate. The headline is not. He actually said that a No Deal Brexit would cost them millions. Honda UK said on R5 only today that it would prefer it if Brexit did not happen. The plant produces the Civic, and no other Honda plant makes this specific type of Civic.

    Here's the link I found. Judge for yourselves.

    https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/n...-would-cost-honda-tens-of-millions-says-boss/
     
    #21614
    BobbyD and kiwiqpr like this.
  15. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    I wondered when you would return. What are your thoughts on the Russian poisoning? Do you still think it was someone else?
     
    #21615
    rangercol likes this.
  16. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    After what I am hearing tonight. I would tell them to @@@@ off. They are now taking the P.
    May is embarrassing herself and should come home. 27? Most of them are crap little countries. To hear some tinpot leader talking down the UK is annoying. Put your tin hats on boys and stock up with beans and beers.
     
    #21616
  17. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    24,479
    Likes Received:
    23,909
    That's the spirit!

    We'll show Johnny Foreigner not to mess with Blighty!
     
    #21617
    kiwiqpr likes this.
  18. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    22,785
    Likes Received:
    11,186
    After the way they seem to be taking the P out of us I am pleased we won't be in their club.
     
    #21618
  19. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    115,872
    Likes Received:
    231,745
    EU summit/Dr Strangelove/EU summit/Dr Strangelove
    please log in to view this image

    please log in to view this image
     
    #21619
    ELLERS likes this.
  20. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    From this evasion I can presume you have nothing worthwhile to add ?
     
    #21620

Share This Page