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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Star of David Bardsley

    Star of David Bardsley 2023 Funniest Poster

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    It is fair if something was written into it preparing for this situation (no idea if so, but would seem prudent to include that sort of clause). My guess is that we signed up to things we don’t want to now abide by.
     
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    Like Galileo?

    Sadly Watford in a weird way you are right. We gave away so much under different governments and now it is hard to get it back.
    People talk about the worry of Brexit but the other argument to that is to have a look at the EU and where it is going. Rise of far-right parties, money problems, Countries moaning about the EU, immigration problems, Brussels bureaucracy is getting worse by the day. Even yesterday muppet MEP's from crap little countries where licking Junckers backside and knocking the UK. Our country has more clout then most of the EU states put together yet some little muppet is trying to tell us what to do? Sorry mate that cannot happen.
     
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    Yes. I must stress I’m just guessing but it sounds logical based on the comments from each side. If we really want a “clean break” and have in the past agreed to pay X or give up Y in the event of leaving, it makes sense that we follow through with that rather than fight it, to me.
     
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    Didn't the pope recently say there was no such thing as the devil
     
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    Heres an example,
    You pay loads of your money into some product (more than most) and later you decide to leave the organisation that made the product (which you use). The organisation then says you can't use the product and you must give us more of your money because you promised it to us.
    Would you pay?
    Truth is Watford they were just being nasty towards us but it will backfire. We pay more money into French vineyards subsidies than anyone else. Should we continue to do that only for them to charge us more?
    People need to wise up.

    One other thing I forgot to mention is they are now trying to start giving UK visitors roaming charges when in Europe. Just being silly now
     
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    It totally depends what I’d signed up to.

    Why wouldn’t they give us roaming charges? Presumably there’s a cost to free roaming for someone.
     
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    No they are not trying to give roaming charges. Ee and another have already stated there won't be a change.
     
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    God must have put him right on that.
     
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    <laugh> has anyone seen those Two Russians accused of the poisioning.
    They said they wanted to go to the "famous Sailsbury Cathedral with it's, it's famous for it's 123M spire". <yikes>
    yet they only spent 1 hour there and they visted the famous Skriples house? :1980_boogie_down:
    What a load of made up BS.
     
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    Bob I appreciat your stance on Brexit and TBH there are things I don't like about Brexit, however you need to at least accept that the EU are not as nice as some make out.
    Regarding the charges, I believ it is actually our mobile providers that have said there will be no change and not the EU.
     
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    I really don't mind the EU and I'm being serious there. Really dont see what was wrong with it for all this ****e to happen. It's ridiculous
     
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    It will all be a storm in a teacup and in 5 years we will look back and laugh or be involved in WW3. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    Ha ha
     
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    Here's some good Brexit news. Far-right Hungarian leader Viktor Orban is backing Britain to get a 'fair deal' from the EU. This after all but two Tory MEPs backed him by voting against EU sanctions on Hungary after it was accused of breaking EU democracy rules.
     
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    The far right are our natural allies these days. Funny old world.
     
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    Exclusive: Jeremy Corbyn’s Close Aide Routinely Working In Parliament Without Required Security Clearance
    Iram Awan, the Labour leader’s Private Secretary, has not been given a pass on the advice of the security services.
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    One of Jeremy Corbyn’s closest aides has not been granted a Parliamentary pass due to unspecified security concerns – but has continued to work in his Commons office for more than nine months.
    HuffPost UK can reveal that Iram Awan, the Labour leader’s Private Secretary, has not had her application approved by the authorities on the advice of the security services, due to questions over known associates.
    But Awan, a British-born national whose role includes providing “strategic advice” to Corbyn, has been escorted into Parliament on a routine basis by other members of his team.
    She was hired late last year and has worked in the Leader of the Opposition’s office in the Palace of Westminster since despite her lack of security clearance.
    With Westminster suffering another attempted terror attack this summer, the Commons authorities will face questions as to why someone so close to a senior politician has been allowed to apparently breach basic security requirements.
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    Counter-Terrorist Check (CTC) clearance is required by everyone working in Parliament and normally takes a matter of weeks at most to process.
    Awan has routinely accessed Parliament through both its Derby Gate and Portcullis House entrances.
    She goes through security checks and X-ray like other visitors, before being picked up by a member of Corbyn’s team and escorted to his office.
    A total of 41 people working in Corbyn’s office are listed on the Register of Interests of Members’ Secretaries and Research Assistants. Awan is not among them.
    The practice of Corbyn’s office regularly escorting Awan into the building appears to be a clear breach of Parliament’s rules on security which forbid anyone from working on the Parliamentary estate without approval.
    A Parliamentary spokesperson told HuffPost UK said: “Visitor passes are for visitors only; they cannot be used to carry out work on the parliamentary estate.
    “While we are unable to comment on specific cases, any alleged breach of the rules on passes will be investigated by the House authorities.
    When asked about current security rules on passes, the spokesperson also said: “Anyone carrying out work on the estate must have been through the vetting process and hold a Parliamentary pass. Anyone working on the estate on a visitor pass would be in breach of this rule.”
    A spokesman for Corbyn said: “We don’t comment on staffing matters”.
    But a Labour source said: “We have not been told that any member of staff has been refused a pass or any reasons for why any pass may not have yet been granted.”
    Awan’s duties are understood to involve her working with Corbyn both inside and outside Parliament.
    It is understood that Corbyn is personally aware that she has not been granted a pass. The reasons for the lack of clearance have not been specifically communicated to his office.
    Every applicant for a Parliamentary pass is required to read the Government’s personnel security and national security vetting policy.
    It states: “There are three different types of national security vetting clearance: Counter Terrorist Check (CTC), Security Check (SC) and Developed Vetting (DV)...
    “They are all intended to allow Parliament to assess whether individuals who are to be employed in sensitive posts or critical functions might represent a security risk directly or indirectly. Applicants for a Parliamentary Pass will normally undergo a CTC only”.
    Individuals are asked to provide information about themselves, family members and other associates. It may be checked against information held by the Security Service (MI5) and third party references. “Interviews with the vetting subject and referees may be carried out to establish good character and to verify information that has been provided.”
    The Government policy states: “Security clearances may be refused or withdrawn” in cases where “there are security concerns related to an individual’s involvement or connection with activities, organisations or individuals associated with the threats described in this Statement (or any similar new threats that emerge)”
    It adds that other reasons can include “personal circumstances, current or past conduct indicate that an individual may be susceptible to pressure or improper influence” and “other behaviours or circumstances indicate unreliability”.
    “There are no national security vetting appeal routes for applicants for employment who are refused a national security clearance,” the advice states.
    The role of Private Secretary is one of the most important in the Leader of the Opposition’s office. Awan’s predecessor in the job was Laura Parker, who left to become National Coordinator of Momentum.
    When the party advertised the post it said the successful candidate would be responsible for “ensuring that the political actions and requirements of the Labour Party Leader’s Office are delivered effectively and efficiently”
    The Private Secretary “will provide advice to the Labour Party Leader as and when required, coordinating with the work of the teams within the Leader’s Office” and show “the ability to provide strategic advice”.
    The UK’s current threat level is set at “severe”, with a terror attack deemed highly likely. The threat level is one below the highest rating of “critical”, when an attack is deemed imminent.
    Security on the Parliamentary estate has been stepped up since the 2017 Westminster Bridge terror attack and security forces have faced the separate challenge of Russian inspired threats.
    Corbyn has repeatedly insisted on seeing evidence of any Russian involvement in the Novichok poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter. He was briefed by security officials last week on the murder of Briton Dawn Sturgess.
    It was reported this month that the Labour leader had been invited to a “full briefing” briefing by MI5 chief Sir Andrew Parker on the threat from Islamist terrorists in the UK and returning from the Middle East. It is unclear if he has attended the briefing.
    This week also marks the beginning of the inquests into the deaths of five victims of the 2017 terror attack on Westminster Bridge, with the inquest into the death of the attacker, Khalid Masood, following afterwards.
    In August this year, a man was arrested on suspicion of terror offences after his car crashed into pedestrians and cyclists outside the Palace of Westminster.
    Very little is publicly known about Awan. She was previously an activist with the Left Unity pressure group, attending its inaugural meeting in 2013. The group was formed after a plea from filmmaker Ken Loach for a new party to provide a left-wing alternative to Ed Miliband’s Labour.
    According to a crowdfunding page online, Awan this year made a donation to a charitable event in aid of Helping Households Under Great Stress (HHUGS). She wrote on the site: ‘Great cause!’
    The group exists to “provide financial, emotional, and practical support and advice to Muslim household impacted by counter-terrorism, national security and extremism-related laws, policies and procedures in the UK and abroad”.
    The charity states: “For every arrest and detention, a home has been raided and ravaged and a family has suffered the loss of a loved one, a breadwinner, a dear husband. a much-loved son. These are homes where life will never be the same.”
     
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    can this newsreader really be peddling unchecked fake news
    she is a fake newsreader
     
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    ABBOTT'S CAP AXE
    Labour vow to scrap immigration cap to make it easier and cheaper for migrants to enter Brexit Britain
    Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott will pledge to scrap the 'tens of thousands' target and introduce a work visa if Labour gets elected to 10 Downing Street
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    LABOUR vowed to scrap the Government’s “meaningless” immigration caps and make it easier and cheaper for migrants to enter Brexit Britain.
    Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott will promise to axe the Government’s “tens and thousands” target and introduce a new work visa if Jeremy Corbyn wins the keys to No.10
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    Diane Abbott will pledge that migrants will be offered 'residency and accelerated citizenship' in the UK
    This would allow unlimited numbers of overseas workers into Britain – from care workers to scientists – if there are skills shortages.
    Migrants will also be offered “residency and accelerated citizenship” and the promise of an end to “exorbitant” fees for visa applications.
    Ms Abbott insisted Labour would want businesses to advertise jobs locally first – and businesses to train up Brits.
    But campaigners last night warned the proposals were a “kick in the teeth” for Labour’s traditional working class support.
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    Abbott will scrap the immigration target set by the Government and introduce a new work visa if Corbyn becomes PM
    But campaigners last night warned the proposals were a “kick in the teeth” for Labour’s traditional working class support.
    Migration Watch chair Lord Green said: “The last time Labour came to power they tripled net migration in the space of a couple of years.
    “Offering work visas to all who want to come here would be the end of immigration control.”
    A Labour spokesman last night said the new immigration strategy would cover both EU and non-EU nationals.
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    Migration Watch said Diane Abbott's plans 'would be the end of migration control'
    But he added that the exact policy for EU nationals would be subject to negotiations with Brussels.
    Currently, the UK limits the number of skilled workers able to come to the UK from outside the EU at 20,700 a year.
    Ministers lifted doctors and nurses out of the cap in June because of staffing shortages in the NHS.
    Ms Abbott said: “We have economic needs that dictate we need migrants to help skills shortages and labour shortages.
    “I am announcing that Labour in government will establish and completely reformed work visa policy.
    “Under our new system anyone with specified bona fide skills can come here to work.”
     
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    Wetherspoon boss and Brexiteer Tim Martin SCRAPS EU booze as he touts Brexit benefits
    BREXITEER businessman Tim Martin has announced that his company JD Wetherspoon is to slash the amount of EU alcohol and increase its range of drinks from UK and non-EU producers from later this month, it has announced.
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    The company said the move will lead to lower prices across its 880 pubs from September 26.
    The pubs will stop serving Jagermeister (a herbal liqueur from Germany) as well as French brandies Courvoisier VS and Hennessy Fine de Cognac.
    They will be replaced with E&J Brandy (the number two selling brandy in the US), Black Bottle (the number one selling brandy in Australia) and Strika, a herbal liqueur produced in England.
    Chairman Tim Martin, a strong supporter of Brexit, said: "The three new products will be offered at a lower price than those they are replacing.
    "This is a significant move by us and highlights our commitment to offering an excellent range of UK and world products, with the emphasis on quality and value for the two million customers who visit our pubs each week.
    "In blind tastings conducted by Wetherspoon, the new products were more popular than those they are replacing.
    "Many commentators talk of a 'cliff-edge' if the UK 'crashes out' of the EU without a deal.
    "In reality, there is no cliff-edge, only sunlit uplands beyond the EU's protectionist system of quotas and tariffs.
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    "All EU products have UK or non-EU replacements, often at equal or better quality and price."
    Wetherspoon also made menu changes in July.
    They ditched German beers and Champagne for UK brands in the run-up to Brexit.
    They replaced Champagne with sparkling wines from the UK and Australia as well as German wheat beers with those from the UK.
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    Brexit: We can be a FREE trading nation says Wetherspoon boss
    Tim Martin debates Brexit with Jess Phillips. He says, 'I think we're better off with no deal. He argues, 'you can encourage foreign businesses to invest here because you can be a free trading nation'.
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    Mr Martin said: "This move helps us to broaden our horizons so that we create an improved offer for the two million customers who visit our pubs each week."
    He also printed thousands of pro-Brexit beermats attacking George Osborne in the run-up to the EU referendum.
    Mr Martin argued leaving the European Union would give British businesses to expand to more global drinks market without having to worry about customs union tariffs.
    Speaking to Sky News, he said: "I don’t think the customers will think it’s too harsh if we can get equivalent or superior products perhaps at a significantly better price.
    "In the event of Brexit when things are changing, it’s a very good opportunity to look around the world and see what we can get that enhance customers’ enjoyment of our pubs."
     
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