Human civilisation has had countries and a form of governing them for thousands of years. Why haven't we found the best way of doing it yet? Imagine there were no ...
Tony Benn and Margaret Thatcher. Why do 2 very intelligent people have completely opposite views on politics?
Imp and badger......guys let’s leave the personal remarks out of the discussions please.........Ta Muchly
The whole "these people believed a message on a bus" that didn't actually say what they tell us it said anyway, is inferring that "these people were stupid."inference trying to say." Initially vote leave had a poster that said "lets give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week." That lasted a few days to a week and was changed to we send £350m to the EU each week, lets fund our NHS instead." The bus didn't say they were proposing to spend £350m a week. It inferred spending some on the NHS but because either the initial (dropped) poster's message or because those who were against leaving decided it meant more than the words on the bus. The idea that people actually went "Whoop, thats sold it for me." is suggesting they were stupid. I think most people are much cleverer than you would like to give them credit for.
The EU has done all that? Wow, very generous of them to spend their money on all that for us. None of that was actually done by us then? or things we were front runners in pushing the others to take our lead? And how many millions of shares has this had? Very professional. What are "landfill dumplings?" The reality is that you can take all of that and realise we would have done (or did do) it before the EU took the ideas on..........and every time it says "EU funded" that is not very true is it. It means we funded it with them taking 40% commission.
Sorry? Really? What personal comments have I made? Imp misquotes me, which I query and you come out with this? I think you owe me an apology l
I didn't misquote you. Sorry if you think that. I was merely responding to the inference that a message on a bus (which didn't actually say what people suggest it did) was believed by any more than a few that were just as likely to believe that there would be a punishment budget if they didn't do as they were told. I was not meaning that you directly called me an idiot. Just that believing people fell for the £350m to the NHS (or armageddon) suggests that you think they are idiots. I would be happy to concede that many people will have agreed that we should fund the NHS instead of contributing to the EU. It is just the connection you make with the whole EU budget (whether it be £350m or £250m or whatever) going to the EU I have a problem with. We should use that money to fund things with. That is the whole crux of the matter. The message on the bus was as false as the remain argument taking the "EU funding" off the contribution ignoring that what the "EU fund" comes out of our contribution in the first place......unless the EU will continue "funding" after we leave.
I suppose all the mods and site owners will be delighted with Lucy Powell's bill that suggest moderators and group admins should be held legally responsible for the content that appears on their forums, groups etc!!!
In every case, the EU was there before us, and we followed suit. We may have got there eventually independently of the EU on some of those issues, but I wouldn’t have bet money on it. Remember the hostility to the Working Time Directive, that is still going on in some quarters?
