I don't have a problem with what she did. Other than it may not have been nice for her opponent to watch as she was clearly very emotional at the end. 'Happy' tears or more than that? Ramos is known for being a stickler with the 'rules' and dishes out warnings and point deductions as he sees fit. I watch quite a bit of tennis and I've not seen a male tennis player be deducted a game before. Sexist, quite possibly. The day sportsmen and women stop being passionate we may as well just play sport video games.
going to have to disagree just going by the stats. Whilst i agree the big names get away with it (being angry from what i have read/seen) and maybe the media castigates women more than the men in the language used AND there is sexism in some respects (the catsuit thing although i can see both sides of the argument and especially the thing with Alize Cornet), this was just a person who deals by the book. The reason Serena got taken a point and then a game is the number of violations (getting more punitive the more violations). Sure there's a consistency issue between umpires (like reffing) between them but Ramos has been pretty consistent (though sounds like he has errors) throughout his career (from what i can read). https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/45468290 Showing the stats this US Open: without looking at case by case men are getting fined a lot more As for Ramos prior, he's clashed with Murray, Djokovic and Rafa and giving them violations for misdemeanours. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/09/carlos-ramos-serena-williams-tennis-umpire-us-open You can't do what Serena has done and got ugly about it and expect nothing to happen. He probably should have had a discussion with her rather than gone all out guns blazing but this situation doesn't arise if Serena doesn't go apeshit over him.
Thanks for the links Bobby. Added to what you put here is Ramos giving Kyrgios a warning for shouting 'towel' at a ball boy. He looks like another official who likes the limelight. There's plenty of evidence of warnings and points deduction to men but where is the evidence of deducting a game? That's where the sexist accusations have come from. Steve Simon the CEO of the WTA has already said the punishment appears sexist.
deducting of a game was for a 3rd violation (and presumably a really strong umpire who would follow through with this like Mr Ramos). How many games have you seen where a tennis competitor has had 3 code violations (in a single match)? She might have got away with the 3rd one for smashing a racquet, but not for abusing him very obviously and for multiple instances The most extreme is Nalbandian kicking an advertising hoarding, inadvertently injuring a ball boy (not on purpose) and he was ejected from the competition
That's the point, it doesn't happen. Several male players have come out and said they've said far worse things to the umpire and never been punished. Actually haven't seen any tennis pros say what happened to Williams was right. Even Sue Barker said it was ludicrous.
well off the top of my head, Murray said "stupid umpiring" which ramos took as "stupid umpire" and got a code violation so that goes right out the window. From what i've read on the guardian and BBC (i haven't delved deeper), Billie King, Sue Barker and Azarenka have come out vocally/tweeting for her. Djokovic is actually pretty good, he's like me in that he thinks Serena was punished, probably harshly and that there could have been a better outcome and some discussion. However, going by the law (and Ramos previous), he's just doing what he does and is justified in doing it if he deems she has gone to far.
for me I watched the replay of her and her coach a) as a non tennis person thst coach made what if call a very clear coaching signal and nodded like she got it. b) coach admitted he was coaching using excuse everyone does it. c) it's clear Williams got upset tight... fine have your star divas moment then get on with it. she did this but then completely lost all read on and kept at it. d) the racquet smash is a clear violation. he utterly destroyed the thing. e) she called the umpire a cheat and a liar. hang on.... sorry but in some sports you would be out for that. imo she's got off very lightly and has disgraced herself. she's pulled the sexist card out and that genie doesn't go back in bottle. so we'll done there Serena you just robbed the kid of her moment and set your sport back 5 years in one tantrum cos you were caught.
imo should have pulled gun on them. shot them then called cops. or... just don't get into it with the little Dick in first place.... it's clear it was a set up to start ****.
Fortunately he didn't have gun with him or he might have pulled it and then who knows what other charges he would have pressed against him. He'd probably be en route to a divorce too. His wife doesn't know he owns guns and is dead set against them. She hates guns. He keeps them from her as a secret.
What I said doesn't go out of the window because I've already said Ramos likes the limelight hence his quickness to punish even slight infractions. A male player hasn't yet had the same treatment as Serena which is why it could be seen as sexist especially when men have said far worse.
This is where I disagree with you. Firstly there are 2 conflicts here - 1 sexism towards umpiring and Serenas treatment being of a sexist nature. 1. Sexism i can probably accept although (only on US open) the overall stats suggest this isnt the case (on who has been penalised but it could be men are more prone to violations and may have got away with it). I haven't seen the violations and missed violations but i know the Cornet one was bang out of order. 2. Whether Serenas treatment can be seen as sexist or not, what is your opinion of it as i am getting the feeling that you are thinking it could be construed as sexist because no one else has had a game taken of them for verbals. Whilst it hasn't happened before, i've given a reason why that was the case because she the punishment was because it was her THIRD violation, not because it was a punishment for the verbal abuse. The reason no one (not even another women) has had that game treatment (as far as i know) is because no one has been stupid enough to be caught out on a third violation
I disagree People at the match have even said the umpire was baiting her. I say well done Serena for standing up against double standards.
The punishment code is clear as you pointed out earlier - warning, points, game. Umpires try their very best not to get to three which is why this time it's a big deal. Men don't get docked games which is where it could be seen as sexist. Pro players and the CEO of the WTA coming out and saying it's sexist adds more weight, they live and breathe the game so they should know. The coaching violation - her coach said he coached the point but she didn't see him; she said she didn't see him as she was at the other end; Osaka's coach coached from the box as well. Breaking the raquet - he has no option, it's a violation. Verbal abuse - I'd say she has a right if she feels she's been accused of cheating.
This is where i'm having disagreements with you JB. You are saying men are never docked games when actually in the history of all tennis (i say this tongue in cheek but at professional level) i don't think ANYONE - man or woman have ever lost a game because they were silly enough to get to 3 violations (i searched google but couldn't find an example). Just because Serena, a woman is the first to have that violation doesn't make it sexist. Likewise, just because Nalbandian (got kicked out for violence), Fognini (got kicked out of doubles for being sexist to an umpire 3 times), Medelev was chucked out for racist comments and Hamou was kicked out for kissing a reporter. No women has ever been chucked out of a tournament (well not according to google). Surely thats an even bigger outcry than losing a game. Well not really because rightfully so all 4 of these men were dumb and acted inappropriately. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/02/fabio-fognini-thrown-out-us-open-obscenities-umpire https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...r-disqualified-from-us-tournament-for-saying/ https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/30/french-open-maxime-hamou-banned-groping-reporter Likewise this man lost a match on a point violation for an obscenity which was pretty similar to Serenas. https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/te...-sam-groth-penalty-stupid-person-umpire-video I'm all for equality of the game but she was stupid to keep arguing with the umpire and abusing him by calling him a liar and a thief when she was already on her 2nd violation.
Stupid for pulling out a knife... in England just carrying one is a crime. Sounds like hes been done over though by some pathetic kids, hopefully common sense prevails.
