In answer to the first question - nope. I accept we lost the vote. Will you accept that your side have lost since winning the vote yet due to a lack of preparation, thought, planning etc
No the problems are down to the backstabbing French and German puppets,no amount of preparation would have changed anything,except maybe throwing the traitors in prison,or what did they do to Guy Fawkes. We could have got a great deal,the remain backstabbing has stopped that,I now hope we get the hardest Brexit possible personally.
OK what would have been a great deal? How would we have got it? What specifically have the remainers done to stop it?
Didn't you get the leaflet Cameron sent to every household in Britain or see any of the remainers on TV telling us exactly what we were voting for WJ? I think the 'principle'' bit came in after the vote they were convinced they were gonna win
The only thing you need to know,is the one thing you wanted least of all,is the one thing you're going to get. well done hope you enjoy your hard Brexit.
WJ it’s all very well heaping all the blame on Cameron but I don’t recall any of the other leading remainers piping up to say “hang on a minute shouldn’t we give the voters more information?” Smacks of arrogance and an assumption that the result was in the bag, “no need to give the riffraff too much info old boy, we’ve got this” The wailing now that the voters “didn’t realise what they were voting for” is a case of ‘the horse has already bolted’ and their arrogance got them exactly what they deserved
If it's so clear that there is a majority that want to leave why not have another vote and shut the f***ers up once and for all ?
You're confusing what they wanted with what we end up with. I'm saying that the vote should have been on whatever the completed negotiation terms were and the eventual position we found ourselves in. That simple, as my example illustrated. A pre-negotiation vote in principle should be only about the principle, not the unknown outcome of the negotiation. It's like you going to a car salesman and agreeing 'YES' to buying a car. Once you've blindly signed the paperwork, you then find it's going to cost you £500k for a rustbucket Morris Marina which hasn't been fit to drive since 1971. Now most sensible people would ask to see the available cars & negotiate a price, but you blindly voted YES to the deal. Now tell me you wouldn't want to get out of that deal once you found out what you were getting into. Surely you wouldn't dig your heels in, saying "well, at least it's my car now & I can do what the hell I like with it. Just wish I could afford to fix it & drive it". Or would you, because that's what I'm hearing with this whole Brexit argument.
You've misunderstood me, matey. It's not about the information available at that time. We've all made a binding commitment to a deal that hadn't even been negotiated. The vote should have been simply a vote in principle. The binding vote should have been at the end of the negotiations, once we knew exactly WHAT we were voting for. As I expressed earlier, it's like agreeing to buy a car without knowing the model, state, or cost. Who in their right mind would do that?
I thought I was voting for an exit from the EU and if it meant a hard Brexit with no deal then so be it. Take Germany alone, look at these export to the UK figures and then convince me Germany would be willing to walk away with a no deal. https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/germany/tradestats 54.6million deficit for Germany to make up, we’re there 3rd largest export
Yes, true. At what cost though? And we're losing the protection we had against the tories. The EU were more effective in curbing their right wing excesses than the left ever were. Sadly true. Then again, kids these days are too fat to o up chimneys. Bit of tory-led hunger will sort that out in the workhouses.
That's like saying we shouldn't have locked Peter Sutcliffe up because he delivered the goods every week in his lorry, even though he was sidelined now and again for his own 'benefit'
A bit off topic, but I was reading about some workers on a country estate down here who all toddled off dutifully to war in 1914. One chaps military assessment was - age 18, height 5ft 3in, weight 7 st. 3 lbs. Expected to carry a pack weighing 4st 5lbs and a 5 ft rifle, oh and to kill Germans. Remember when you were 7 stones? No, me neither.
Taking our country back, also read what the muslims are saying, make your own minds up about the 7/8ths that lays underground. Another Tommy Robinson song
