Liverpool Comparison

Chesney = Reina
Sagna > Kelly
Vermaelen > Carragher
Mertesacker > Agger
Santos < Enrique
Song = Lucas
Arteta = Gerrard
Wilshere > Henderson
Theo < Kuyt
RvP = Suarez
Gervinho > Downing

Wenger has strengthened the areas that needed strengthening, and I'd put the Arsenal team ahead of Liverpool now. If they can gain discipline, it's a very very experienced squad at this point. Fantastic!!

 

Okay will try to give my take on it

Chesney< Reina - (this might change one day but chesney has had 6 months in the league while reina is one of the best in the league for years)
Sagna > Kelly - fair enough
Vermaelen > Carragher - when fit deffo the case
Mertesacker = Agger (just a guess but have to see how mertasacker fits in)
Santos < Enrique (again if santos gels this could change)
Song = Lucas - (song is better player but his discipline issues and inconsistency make them equal)
Arteta < Gerrard - (are you kidding me Gerrard bar injuries is still one of if not the best AM in the league and arteta while great is also injury prone)
Wilshere > Henderson (obvious for all to see)
Theo = Kuyt - (tempted to put theo higher he is starting to score goals for us consistently)
RvP > Suarez (this is hard RVP's form trounced Suarezs last 6 months of the season but his injury issues are a concern, plus Suarez doesn't score much yet)
Gervinho = Downing (too early but the initial signs are looking good for gervinho if he can play in the league like he did against Udinese he could be a revelation)

Think both teams are about equal we might just about pip it barring injuries but it will be an interesting race for 4th (dont think either of us are in the race for the title). Will see

 

Also the dynamic does change if Carrol gets fit and they play 442 or 4231 - so will be interesting as the season develops.

 

I think thats a very fair assesment Bonstar.

 

Player for player we appear (because a few haven't even played yet!) to have a similar starting 11 in terms of ability. The problem is though that Liverpool have far more strength in depth than us. People are using Agger as their starting CB forgetting Skrtl and their new boy Coates who was superb in the World Cup. Selective picks from us Gooners I feel! I think out initial squad will be able to beat most teams but we'll feel injuries far mroe than the Scousers.

 

I know they spent £35m on him but i think liverpool play far better without him. When hes on the pitch theres a huge tendancy to just hoof it to him and ping balls into the box. It would work if he was world class, currently hes not but it could be due to injuries and how young he is.

Plus these tactics dont suit players like suarez, henderson and others

 

I would say that mostly that is a fair assessment except fot the fact that no one has included Charlie Adam in their comparison with Liverpool. Personally I think Adam is better than Gerrard at the moment and his excellent start to the season backs this up.

I do feel that a full strength arsenal squad is now better than liverpool's equivalent squad. It is such a shame we had to spot them a 6 point lead on us for 4th place.

I think Carroll will prove to be worth no where near his 35m pricetag for the same reasons already outlined by VP's lost Shoelaces. I also think Suarez will face serious burnout as well. He has spent the past two years playing non stop football with Uruguay and in Holland/England. No player is a robot and Dalglish will have to be careful. If Carroll doesn't perform and Suarez burns out I do wonder where the goals will come from.

 

BIG QUESTION though, is how well they play as a team..
Liverpool currently showing togetherness and the new signings seem to be clicking. Arsenal have the new signings but may take time for them to gel and there may be a hangover after an 8-2 defeat and the loss of 2 of their most creative players

 

RvP > Suarez (this is hard RVP's form trounced Suarezs last 6 months of the season but his injury issues are a concern, plus Suarez doesn't score much yet)

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is this a joke? suarez has been one of the best players in the prem over the past 6 months. was best player in copa america and has started this season off to a flyer 3 in 4 so far. suarez is scoring well but amazingly has set up/assisted way more than he has scored.

i would say suarez better but maybe im being biased, having said that they are different types of players, you would of been better comparing rvp to carrol as both are more out and out scorers whereas suarez plays a lot more like kuyt/tevez/messi etc as a playmaker.

i dont think kuyt will play much this year also and coates could end up being a starter if he is good enough.

i also dont agree with TC saying mertsacker better than aggar. aggar is a proven player in england whereas mersacker has never played here before and his last club had a horrid season.

everything else seems about right although reina is obviously rated higher ( i assume TC was joking)

 

RvP > Suarez (this is hard RVP's form trounced Suarezs last 6 months of the season but his injury issues are a concern, plus Suarez doesn't score much yet)

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is this a joke? suarez has been one of the best players in the prem over the past 6 months. was best player in copa america and has started this season off to a flyer 3 in 4 so far. suarez is scoring well but amazingly has set up/assisted way more than he has scored.

i would say suarez better but maybe im being biased, having said that they are different types of players, you would of been better comparing rvp to carrol as both are more out and out scorers whereas suarez plays a lot more like kuyt/tevez/messi etc as a playmaker.

i dont think kuyt will play much this year also and coates could end up being a starter if he is good enough.

i also dont agree with TC saying mertsacker better than aggar. aggar is a proven player in england whereas mersacker has never played here before and his last club had a horrid season.

everything else seems about right although reina is obviously rated higher ( i assume TC was joking)

 

sorry double post can someone delete one of them alons with this post please

 

@lazy lucas - I am comparing RVP to Suarez because Carrol has not had much of a chance at Liverpool and i did mention the dynamic might change if Carrol is fit and starting but that aside RVP was the best player in the league for the 2nd half of last season 18 goals since Jan in the league - he is currently comfortably better than Suarez but with time that could change especially given RVP's fitness issues.

However if both Suarez and Carrol start then RVP 10x the player Carrol is and Suarez is better than any of Walcott/Gervinho/Arshavin/Benayoon so the dynamics keep changing depending on who starts. Someone also pointed out we should include Charlie Adams (dont know how i forgot him) i think Arteta is better but over the last year Adams has been a revelation. Will be interesting to see if he keeps this going with Liverpool.

Like I said it will be an interesting race for fourth as 1,2,3 are pretty much decided.

 

Agree it will be close but "chesney=reina" is that some sort of joke, OP? As for Kelly, johnson is our starting RB and is injured atm hence why Kelly has started this season, so should be in the OP, not Kelly

Edit: oh and you forgot the managers too: Dalglish > Wenger

 

To be fair I would put Reina ahead of Szczesny, no matter how much I love him.

 

Chesney < Reina -- reina is better, but i wouldn't take him over szneznky
Sagna > Johnson -- johnson is basically a winger, not good for defence, sagna is a beast
Vermaelen > agger -- better comparison than agger an mertesaker
Mertesacker > caragher -- both big slow experienced etc, mertesaker better
Santos ?? Enrique -- **** knows....
Song = Lucas -- probably about the same, but hopefully frimpong with a few games etc will be better
Arteta = Gerrard -- gerrard is to old and injured now, he'll get back, play abit and get injured again before he gets going
Wilshere > Henderson -- fact...
Theo = Kuyt - a close one, different players tho, theo is an out and out striker
RvP > Suarez -- RVP is a god.
Gervinho > Downing -- Downing is an average journey man, gervinho so far seems to be pretty good, and will get better with settling etc

 

nice unbiased opinion there ^

liverpool dont have a single outfield player better than arsenal? you must of thrashed us earlier this season then and obviously are way above us in the table.

 

What would you disagree with lucas?

 

santos, Mertesaker, Song, Arteta, Wilshere, Gervinho didn't play in that match.....

 

They both suck

 

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