Cest, your thory has a big hole in it as far as I'm concerned. It's the suggestion that Short would simply put the mockers on any purchases that Bruce proposed because he'd lost faith in him. It doesn't make sense that he'd effectively write-off a manager who had just overhauled the squad in the way Bruce has. I agree with the bit about the last minute bargaining and can't see any reason for leaving things so late. However, I don't know that this wasn't down to deals falling through, or being dependent on other things happening, like loaning out Anton, Mcartney, etc so it's unfair of me to judge on the basis of what I'd have like to see happen. We don't know the facts, simple as. As for the whole BOB/BIB things, I simply ain't interested. I want Bruce to succeed as he manages my club. I'm not for or against until he ****s up or wins a cup. My own theory is that he doesn't move until a better alternative is available and I don't know who that is unless MO'N hoves into view. Overall, I'm defo happy to have Bendtner on board.
Just been looking at Bendtners international record, when he has played regular, full games in his correct position. 12 in 38, not all starts. Impressive.
As I have said (over and over again) its not the signing that is wrong (he is a good player for us IMO) but its the amateurish way the deal was rushed through to try and save Bruces face this morning.[/QUOTE] and there is my big problem with your argument Cest. You honestly think Short, Quin and Byrne are so daft they would rush through a deal to save face for Bruce. Yes or no should it not be Quinn and Byrne out, the people who do the deals. No again its spin the thing to blame Bruce.
It's simple Cest, Arsenal were waiting to see who they got in before releasing Bendtner. He never went to Stoke, it was a twitter rumour, as soon as Arsenal got Benayoun, they ok'ed Bendtner leaving. You honestly believe we negotiated, signed and sealed this deal in a 3 hour period? Did we ****e, the deal with Bendtner was done, we were waiting for Arsenal IMO. I think we wanted 2 in, and i honestly belive NB was always one we wanted. We have unquestionably tracked the lad for a year, minimum. As you know, i have my gripes with Bruce, but i ain't going down the route of shooting him down for the sake of it, cold hard facts are he has brought in yet another player that improves the squad.
But then all you can offer on an equally monotonous basis is blank criticism of me Syd (or just post recipes to try and gander some favour amongst your cronies) and never actually comment on the points made, which is why to be honest, your responses mean less and less to me these days anyway, so you can pop off to the land of make believe and have some happy thoughts and I'll concentrate on the reality of here and now. Okay?
I see that this thread is following a very familiar pattern, with the usual suspects either taking the positive or negative view on the clubs dealings...I've come to the conclusion that in many cases, no matter how well or badly we do, this will never change, simply because the views being expressed are simply a reflection of posters personalities...
Oh dear Cest, we turn to a bit of insult from the man who never insults. I do comment Cest, you just chose to ignore and to me this post says it all. Of to my world of make believe Cest, a happy place.
and there is my big problem with your argument Cest. You honestly think Short, Quin and Byrne are so daft they would rush through a deal to save face for Bruce. Yes or no should it not be Quinn and Byrne out, the people who do the deals. No again its spin the thing to blame Bruce.[/QUOTE] Thought you were off to post on happier threads? Bendtner is a cheap option for the club to placate a manager they are obviouslyt not going to give any mroe moeny too. Quinny can sanction that deal without having to call Ellis Short first, as it has been fully financed with the sale and wage reduction fron Antons departure. Bruce gets 'a' player and Quinny can support his man. The Journal today has a quote that Crouch want ed to come and the club couldnt broker the deal. Thats the bit about Short saying no to any big money transfers for Bruce and why I think he is on borrowed time from the owner now as well. Quinny doesnt make the big decisions and neithr does Byrne, they merely do Ellis Shorts bidding.
Oh dear Syd, the man that also insults regularly but wants to be everyones mate as well, cant take a bit of criticism back from me. True colours there as well?
Thought you were off to post on happier threads? Bendtner is a cheap option for the club to placate a manager they are obviouslyt not going to give any mroe moeny too. Quinny can sanction that deal without having to call Ellis Short first, as it has been fully financed with the sale and wage reduction fron Antons departure. Bruce gets 'a' player and Quinny can support his man. The Journal today has a quote that Crouch want ed to come and the club couldnt broker the deal. Thats the bit about Short saying no to any big money transfers for Bruce and why I think he is on borrowed time from the owner now as well. Quinny doesnt make the big decisions and neithr does Byrne, they merely do Ellis Shorts bidding.[/QUOTE] Or alternatively it could have been our club showing some sanity, and telling Spurs to sling their hook when wanting that kind of silly money for a player who is the wrong side of 30.
Personality? Maybe. Or maybe it’s rather just a reflection of the situation and the facts as each of us wants to interpret them. For many fans, its heresy to complain or question; whilst for others, its quite normal to be critical without losing the love or support we may have for a person, or organisation, or indeed a football club. When it’s good I will reflect that in my thoughts as I have done on many occasions but when it’s bad IMO of course, I will equally voice that concern. We shall see which personality trait is correct come the turn of the year? If we are comfortable mid table then you will have been right. If we are struggling bottom 6 then unfortunately foe us all I will be right. The difference is I won’t just sit tight and hope it all works out and will argue for change BEFORE we get there AGAIN.
But Short hasnt spent "big" since he came to the club, I could see your point if he give Bruce 50 million in his first season, then £30 million, then £5 million this season. but it hasnt worked like that at all. .........................Revenue:..........Expenditure: ..................Net: 2009/2010 ........18.722.000 ........40.568.000 ............-21.846.000 2010/2011 .......36.762.000 ........25.608.000 .............11.154.000 2011/2012........16.830.000.........24.552.000 .............-7.722.000 to me its just Quinn and Short not putting the club in trouble and breaking the bank, doesnt really have anything to do with Bruce. I would Love Bruce to go and ask Short for 30 million to get a 20 goal a season striker, a left winger and a left back, but even if he did, it was never going to happen, with the way the club is being run.
Cest, how can you make such statements? I am neither a BOB nor a BIB but I think a bit of common sense should prevail here. If I recall correctly, the Bent deal with Spurs included an element of delayed payment as was his eventual sale to Villa, so I think your assumption that SB had 20 million to spend on a replacement may be wide of the mark. Furthermore, your comment '....Short just refused to give him it....' leaves me wondering how you can make such a categoric statement unless you have inside information? How the hell do we supporters know what happens in the upper echelons of SAFC? I usually enjoy reading your comments but on this occasion I feel your anger and disappointment has caused you to confuse facts with speculation.
Bloody hell it's like being back on bbc's 606! who need's the mag's when we can slate ourselve's just fine!!
[/QUOTE] Or alternatively it could have been our club showing some sanity, and telling Spurs to sling their hook when wanting that kind of silly money for a player who is the wrong side of 30.[/QUOTE] Could well be but I really don’t see the problem with a 31 year old man, with clearly 2 or 3 top years ahead of him, being brought into the club? The benefits he may have brought in that time i.e. bringing on Wickham and Won for instance, as well as the important work on the pitch (Crouch is a very,very good player IMO) would be huge. George Graham was on the Sunday morning Sky show asking the same question as to why som many clubs and managers are hung up on getting youth into the team when he felt it was experience that mattered most in football. Now George is no failure in the management game is he? Also, surely Bruce would have spoken to Quinn and Short regarding Crouch and his wages/prospective fee before making another approach wouldn’t he? They would have know the wages from other recent discussions they have had with him and I think even my mam knew he would cost around the 10m mark, so why go for him if all that was known anyway. only then not to broke the deal at the last minute? Did Short just pull the plug at the last minute? Did he decide that Bruce may well not be there after the New Year and that if Crouch signed he may well not be a new managers choice but would be an expensive mistake if that were the case? All pure speculation of course but very feasible all the same.
But you talk of heresy, then base your own arguments mainly on here say or assumptions...From my observations you were very supportive of Bruce at first, but despite the team making progress (that's a documented fact by the way), you have turned against him big time and rarely miss an opportunity to have a dig at him or those who are supportive of him.
In response to the OP. Excelllent post which I agree with entirely, apart from Cest's assertions about Bendtner. I don't rate the player at all. He has no composure and Wenger must be delighted to get his overblown ego out of the Emirates. This signing for me is a public humiliation for Bruce. 8 months to replace the top English goalscorer who propped up some dismal performances with goals from nothing before he left. This signing indicates that there is no plan or strategy to build a team. How can there possibly be? Bruce's management style is management by exception and this is just another microcosm for it. Welbeck came and contributed little to the cause for two thirds of the time he was with us. First third complete ****e, second third reasonable and the final third injured. We did a lot to help Welbeck's development but not to our long term benefit whatsoever. Bruce has some nerve to show his face this morning. It's completely and utterly embarrassing. I hope that Bendtner turns out to be better than I expect over the course of his loan., but bringing in players in this manner makes us look even more of a way point or bus station for younger players to make their mark and return to their home club in a better state than they left, or some sort of rehabilitation programme for more experienced campaigners who have lost their way.
