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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. lifecheshirewhite

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    No one has done more to promote or bring about a hard Brexit than remoaners,you may get what you have pushed for.
     
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    Genuine question for the remainers....

    1) Do you believe there will be a massive U-Turn and we will not leave?
    2) If you voted NO to the above, when are you going to try and make it work and get behind the Country or are you going to sit drowning in self pity and telling the rest of the world I told you so its all so unfair?
     
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  3. dbc

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    The EU negotiators are looking after the interests of their 27 members, why would anybody think they would do anything else? They've set out clear instructions of what they want, their red-lines etc and published these from the start. It's the UK government who failed to say what they want and failed to do any meaningful preparation, it's only now that they've gone so far as the chequers plan.

    The leavers were never going to get the full backing as 48% of the population didn't want it and by calling them enemies of the people and saboteurs and you lost, get over it hardly was going to encourage remainers to get behind it. So it's the job of the people who wanted change to deliver what they promised successfully and they've failed to do this.
     
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  4. dbc

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    And nothing will promote a 2nd referendum more than a hard brexit.
     
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  5. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    So in summary, you believed the lies of the Leave shower that it would all be possible, you ignored people on the Remain side who pointed out ****kng difficult it was, impossible in fact, and now it’s going tits up you are blaming the people who said from the start it was impossible, not the people who said it would be easy and who have been in government failing to make it happen
     
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  6. lifecheshirewhite

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    You people who believe in dictatorships have messed up the negotiating with your back stabbing of the country,and I hope you now get the hard Brexit you deserve.
    I notice after 223 pages of you telling us what you think we didn't know,our little poll says the same as the original one.OUT MEANS OUT.
     
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    Honestly have no idea as to what's going to happen next. My instinct is that we'll have the fudge I've long expected (and which probably most reflects the public vote) where by we officially leave but with a transition agreement which will continue to get extended whilst we prepare better for the next move or until public opinion moves more decisively one way or the other.

    However this relies on Theresa May/government surviving - I expect the hard brexiteers know this may happen and may make a move in the Autumn in which case we head into totally unknown territory where anything could happen.

    As for point B what exactly would you like remainers to do 'to make it work'? Stockpile spam and practise piano for blitz style sing-a-longs? These are decisions that will be carried out and then the consequences either way will be inflicted on us. What actionable plans do you think we should do to get behind it?
     
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  8. lifecheshirewhite

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    Only in your dreams,which will turn into your nightmare.
     
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    I see you pick and choose when the democratic will of the people is observed:

    48% of those questioned wanted a second referendum on the final Brexit deal, against just 25% who did not. Some 18% said they did not have an opinion and 9% did not know.

    http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-22/poll-shows-support-for-second-eu-referendum/
     
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  10. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    I believe there has already been a U-turn in opinions.

    Even so I believe it is less than 50% chance that there will be a referendum on the options now before us. This is because there are 3 main political parties:
    - Conservatives would be torn asunder if the government proposed this route
    - although a very large majority of Labout voters want a referendum and almost as many want to Remain, the Marxists in charge of the party for their own political reasons do not
    - the LibDems are irrelevant

    I can’t answer the second because neither option you suggest make sense. I hope a deal is struck that minimises the economic damage to the country. When it’s done I’ll support any party that decides to adopt a policy of taking us back in as I see no point in having an arrangement worse than being a member.
     
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  11. lifecheshirewhite

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    Only in your dictatorship world does a poll of a few people down the dog and duck,over rule a vote by 33 million people.<doh>
     
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    Hope you and 20/20 enjoy your spam in your bomb shelters,the rest of us will thrive while the EU collapses and burns.<laugh>
     
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  13. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    He’s not saying it over rules it (and it was a yougov poll I think he refers to). He’s saying there’s a case for another referendum having had 2 years information. Why worry, your case is si strong you’d be bound to win <doh>
     
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    No after we've left,say give it ten years,then if you can get enough interested,have another vote.You wouldn't get 10%
     
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    You will want Norwich have another game next,as there players didn't understand why they were playing.
     
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    Good luck with that
     
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  17. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    It did look like it at times

    But I’m reporting you for being off topic
     
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    You mean the drivel your posting is on a topic,nar pull the other one.
     
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