Jeremy and the Jews.

@Micko

 

I didn't say the UN claimed there was genocide happening in Palastine. I have already told you that. This is the third time I've told you that. I said Israel is committing genocide because they are.

You have decided to latch on to the word because it's an emotive word and that's fine. I used it because it's an emotive word. Ignoring everything else, all the facts stacked against Israel is not fine though. You just look like a pedantic prick tbh.

 

****s that believe this sort of **** need to have a good look at themselves, unquestioning belief in stories that have no detail or context is quite worrying. One minute spent checking the veracity is all it takes, but that's too much bother apparently because we know Israel do this all the time and it therefore it must be legit.

"Sources confirmed that clashes broke out among the demonstrators and Israeli forces after Israeli forces attempted to suppress the peaceful march while using force. The identity of the activist remained unknown, as well as her medical condition. No other injuries were reported from the march."

It's tragic.

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/themes/articles/casualties

 

You were saying?

 

You do know you just bolded me saying I didn't say the UN said there was genocide happening in Palastine, right?



Jesus Christ has Mindy hacked your account?

 

Yes, because the second part which (which was also in bold) shows that you did say the UN and others said it was genocide. Here, try again.

 

• ANNUAL REPORT
• ISRAEL AND OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES

Back to Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories
ISRAEL AND OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES 2017/2018
June marked 50 years since Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories and the start of the 11th year of its illegal blockade of the Gaza Strip, subjecting approximately 2 million inhabitants to collective punishment and a growing humanitarian crisis. The Israeli authorities intensified expansion of settlements and related infrastructure across the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and severely restricted the freedom of movement of Palestinians. Israeli forces unlawfully killed Palestinian civilians, including children, and unlawfully detained within Israel thousands of Palestinians from the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), holding hundreds in administrative detention without charge or trial. Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees, including children, remained pervasive and was committed with impunity. Israel continued to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank and in Palestinian villages inside Israel, forcibly evicting residents. Conscientious objectors to military service were imprisoned. Thousands of African asylum-seekers were threatened with deportation.
Background
Israeli authorities intensified settlement expansion and land appropriation in the OPT. US and international efforts to revive negotiations failed, and Israeli-Palestinian relations remained tense. In January, Israeli authorities passed the so-called “regularization law” that retroactively legalized the settler takeover of thousands of hectares of privately owned Palestinian land and an estimated 4,500 settler homes. In addition, Israeli authorities announced and issued tenders for tens of thousands of new settlement units in East Jerusalem and across the rest of the West Bank.

Palestinians carried out stabbings, car-rammings, shootings and other attacks against Israelis in the West Bank and in Israel. The attacks, mostly carried out by individuals unaffiliated to armed groups, killed 14 Israelis and one foreign national. Israeli forces killed 76 Palestinians and one foreign national. Some were unlawfully killed while posing no threat to life.

In March, the UN Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia issued, then withdrew, a report determining Israel to be “guilty of the crime of apartheid” against Palestinians. In May, a UNESCO resolution reaffirmed the occupied status of East Jerusalem and criticized Israel’s conduct in the city. Following the killing of two Israeli policemen by Palestinians, in July Israel installed metal detectors to screen Muslim worshippers entering the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif. The new security measures led to heightened tensions and mass protests by Palestinians, including collective prayers, across the West Bank. The prayer protests, often met with excessive force, ended once the metal detectors were removed.

In September, the Hamas de facto administration in Gaza and the “national consensus” government in the West Bank embarked on a reconciliation process, which was rejected by Israel.

In December, US President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in violation of international law, sparking widespread protests across the OPT and globally.

Freedom of movement – Gaza blockade and West Bank restrictions
Israel’s illegal air, land and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip entered its 11th year, continuing the long-standing restrictions on the movement of people and goods into and from the area, collectively punishing Gaza’s entire population. Combined with Egypt’s almost total closure of the Rafah border crossing, and the West Bank authorities’ punitive measures, Israel’s blockade triggered a humanitarian crisis with electricity cuts reducing access to electricity from an average of eight hours per day down to as little as two to four hours, affecting clean water and sanitation and diminishing health service access, and rendering Gaza increasingly “unlivable” according to the UN. Gaza’s economy deteriorated further and post-conflict reconstruction of civilian infrastructure remained severely hindered; some 23,500 Palestinians remained displaced since the 2014 conflict. Many patients with life-threatening illnesses were unable to access treatment outside Gaza due to Israeli restrictions and delays by West Bank authorities in processing referrals. Israeli forces maintained a “buffer zone” inside Gaza’s border with Israel and used live ammunition against Palestinians who entered or approached it, wounding farmers working in the area. Israeli forces also fired at Palestinian fishermen in or near the “exclusion zone” along Gaza’s coastline, killing at least one and injuring others.

In the West Bank, Israel maintained an array of military checkpoints, bypass roads and military and firing zones, restricting Palestinian access and travel. Israel established new checkpoints and barriers, especially in East Jerusalem. In response to Palestinian attacks on Israelis, the military authorities imposed collective punishment; they revoked the work permits of attackers’ family members and closed off villages and entire areas including Silwad, Deir Abu Mishal and Beit Surik.

In Hebron, long-standing prohibitions limiting Palestinian presence, tightened in October 2015, remained in force. In Hebron’s Tel Rumeida neighbourhood, a “closed military zone”, Israeli forces subjected Palestinian residents to oppressive searches and prevented the entry of other Palestinians while allowing free movement for Israeli settlers. In May, Israel erected a new checkpoint and a new fence barrier within Hebron’s H2 area, arbitrarily confining the Palestinian Gheith neighbourhood and segregating a street alongside the area.

Arbitrary arrests and detentions
Israel detained or continued to imprison thousands of Palestinians from the OPT, mostly in prisons in Israel, in violation of international law. Many detainees’ families, particularly those in Gaza, were not permitted entry to Israel to visit their relatives.

The authorities continued to substitute administrative detention for criminal prosecution, holding hundreds of Palestinians, including children, civil society leaders and NGO workers, without charge or trial under renewable orders, based on information withheld from detainees and their lawyers. More than 6,100 Palestinians, including 441 administrative detainees, were held in Israeli prisons at the end of the year. Israeli authorities also placed six Palestinian citizens of Israel under administrative detention.

In April around 1,500 Palestinian prisoners and detainees launched a 41-day hunger-strike to demand better conditions, family visits, an end to solitary confinement and administrative detention, and access to education. The Israeli Prison Service punished hunger-striking detainees, using solitary confinement, fines, and denial of family visits.

Palestinians from the West Bank charged with protest-related and other offences faced unfair military trials, while Israeli civilian courts trying Palestinians from East Jerusalem or the Gaza Strip issued harsh sentences even for minor offences.

In April the Israeli High Court of Justice issued a decision to reduce excessive sentencing of Palestinians under the military judicial system and ordered that legislation be amended to apply shorter sentences as of May 2018. Despite the ruling, the sentences would remain harsher than those in the Israeli civilian judicial system.

Khalida Jarrar, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and board member of the NGO Addameer, and Addameer staff member Salah Hammouri, remained in administrative detention at the end of the year.

The trial of Mohammed al-Halabi, a Gaza-based humanitarian worker, began at Beer Sheva District Court on charges of embezzlement from the NGO World Vision to fund Hamas. Neither an Australian government review of World Vision Gaza nor an internal World Vision audit found any evidence to support the charges. Mohammed al-Halabi stated in court that he was tortured during interrogation and detention.

Torture and other ill-treatment
Israeli soldiers and police and Israel Security Agency officers subjected Palestinian detainees, including children, to torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, particularly during arrest and interrogation. Reported methods included beatings, slapping, painful shackling, sleep deprivation, use of stress positions and threats. No criminal investigations were opened into more than 1,000 complaints filed since 2001. Complaints of torture and other ill-treatment by the Israeli police against asylum-seekers and members of the Ethiopian community remained common.

In December the Israeli High Court of Justice accepted the Attorney General’s decision not to open a criminal investigation into Asad Abu Ghosh’s torture claims despite credible evidence, thus condoning the continued use of stress positions and sleep deprivation against Palestinian detainees by Israeli interrogators.

Unlawful killings
Israeli soldiers, police and security guards killed at least 75 Palestinians from the OPT, including East Jerusalem, and five Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. Some of those killed were shot while attacking Israelis or suspected of intending an attack. Many, including children, were shot and unlawfully killed while posing no immediate threat to life. Some killings, such as that of Yacoub Abu al-Qi’an, shot in his car by police in Umm al-Hiran in January, appeared to have been extrajudicial executions.

Excessive use of force
Israeli forces, including undercover units, used excessive and sometimes lethal force when they used rubber-coated metal bullets and live ammunition against Palestinian protesters in the OPT, killing at least 20, and injuring thousands. Many protesters threw rocks or other projectiles but were posing no threat to the lives of well-protected Israeli soldiers when they were shot. In July, in response to the tensions over Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif, the authorities killed 10 Palestinians and injured more than 1,000 during the dispersal of demonstrations, and conducted at least two violent raids on al-Makassed hospital in East Jerusalem. In December, wheelchair user Ibrahim Abu Thuraya was shot in the head by an Israeli soldier as he was sitting with a group of protesters near the fence separating Gaza from Israel.

 

Does it mention Genocide in there?

You've said it was "emotive", that's the problem, you are letting emotions get in the way of rationality.

 

Haw [emoji35]

 

Oh I see. You think when I said that the UN etc etc etc were saying the things I have pointed out was happening like ethnic cleansing, illegal occupation, running an apartheid state you think I said they have called it genocide even this is now the fourth time I have said the haven't called it that and it was me that called it that?

Ye I get it Dev I really do.

Now let's get by this word that has got you all in a tizzy and let's address all the other things I mentioned eh. Are we going to put that down to Hamas propoganda and the ramblings of George Galloway too?

 

Rachel Swindon

Another obsessive lefty loony. If Jeremy Corbyn was caught on film strangling a kitten she'd find a way to blame the kitten.

 

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"I swear I only called for a taxi and this guy turned up. I’ve literally no idea who he is! I’m not even sure if I was there."

 

Ah ha ha ya choob .

I've talked about ethnic cleansing, apartheid, displacement of people which seems to be fine for you but mention genocide and it's all too emotional?

Away and bile yer heed

 

I've lost track on this thread

Anyhow

Isreal, backed by one of the biggest and highly trained armies , armed with high tech milatry weapons has invaded another country , stole land, created apartheid , killed innocent people and is at war against what's is left of opposition... All in the name of religion .

And people don't think Zionists are ****s .

Isreal fighting Hamas is like real Madrid versus Albion rovers ...

I doubt anyone think Palestine and Hamas are innocent in acts of voilence but I think they have every right to be ****ed off.

And I'm right if centre on the political fence.

 

I'm not in the least bit invested in this debate but I'll repeat myself. There are two sides to every story, there is propaganda (on both sides) at play here and the wisdom of Solomon could not tell you the truth one way or another. There is copious evidence that fatality and injury figures are being massaged and that thousands of stories (like the Norwegian bird Mindy posted about) are short on detail but high in shock value.

There are real actual Genocides happening in the world now, like Myanmar, and they are all very very sad and tragic but I know I can do hee haw about it and i therefore don't worry, if anyone feels that strongly about Israel then go on a march, write to your MP or speak to the Green Brigade.

I'd rather shave my toes.