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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Agree there needs to be more building on brownfield sites, Bobby.

    And, yes, there has to be a stock of subsidised housing that is maintained for those needing it. There's an issue over when a resident has to vacate council owned property if their wealth exceeds qualifying thresholds. A good example of that was Bob Crow who was earning huge amounts but would not budge from his council house!
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    The big corporates I’ve worked for are more ****ed by a weak pound than they can be by the wages of factory staff going up a pound or two.

    1.36m is a drop in the ocean. Take out those who are beyond help and it’s a minuscule number. Take out those who are nowhere near where the jobs are and it’s smaller still.
     
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  3. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    The fall in the pound is a temporary effect of the referendum vote. It's not Brexit but the transition to Brexit that's causing it. Investors don't like uncertainty. It will resolve itself.

    The definition of "unemployed" is people actively seeking work, so the 1.36m won't include those beyond help, sick etc Job location is an issue but the unemployment figures are going down annually, because people are being entrepreneurial, opening new businesses etc, and a lot of work can now be done at home using the internet. All of which is encouraging. We'll see how low the figures go.
     
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  4. Stroller

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    The EU recently passed a law to stop companies undercutting local employees with imported labour.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44293265

    Member states have two years to implement this, so it won't apply here. <doh>
     
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    Well we don't like all those rules that the EU make anyway... it's the will of the people, everyone knew what they were voting for <whistle>
     
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  6. BobbyD

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    what do people think of this....?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45207086

    It's a tough one. On the one hand the company could still use her and assign her on duties where she only deals with females.

    On the other hand i have sympathy for the company as if she isn't the right fit then she isn't the right fit.

    i'm with the company
     
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  7. Willhoops

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  8. DT’s Socks

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    No or I would of said that
    There is a housing shortage
    Look at the building taking place in my home county of East Sussex

    Plenty of houses in truth in fact I will not believe there is a shortage in the U.K. it’s a complete lie. In areas there are massive shortages but only in pockets and it’s these figures people based arguments on

    The building of new properties is to keep the U.K. economy going because most have their entire worth inside their house

    No one wants council houses near their home if they own it

    That is embedded into our culture from the US and will never change. It’s the only real thing left that supports the economy.

    Houses are built to make profit for all concerned. That comes first and there isn’t a second thought for supporting infrastructure apart from supermarkets fighting for position to build a profit making store.

    I challenge anyone to look at their own high street Map references are now corporate names .... ie head to Tesco turn right at Sainsbury’s and follow the road to Argos etc etc. The pubs are being sold off to make express type shops and we now shop at petrol garages.

    Housing to immigration is poppy cock

    We have loads of space in the U.K. plenty in fact. Farms are purchased by the rich who don’t farm as farming is on the decline massively and it’s needs massive help

    Forgot the farm shops etc their produce is purchased on the whole. It’s just a revenue stream. Yes there are places that do grow on site of course but they are few and fair between and rely on other revenues to support their businesses

    People move to where business is and that’s not exclusive to the U.K.

    What people are saying imo is within these hot spots there are not enough houses

    London is undergoing social cleaning as the real estate is gold and the costs are spiralling out of control

    I will stop at doing a comparison to France
    No point there isn’t one

    I will say again however I couldn’t afford to buy one of my families old cottages attached to our old farm in East Sussex as they are fetching £750k a pop just to be knocked down so city money can play grand designs

    Councils can buy and build homes instead of putting money into their portfolio investments but they won’t. They want revenue not sponging problem families on benefits

    With the benefits cuts we have seen unemployment drop it’s working to force lazy English into work . The immigrants are already working and doing fine they are the shinning example to me as generally they have the ethic we lost generations ago

    Yes there are hot spots that are seriously bad but we are all immigrants of some sort
    We just took our eye of the ball and have the equal right to find our own space

    English home owners only care about their own castle ... there is little chance they will pull together because of the fear they may lose something
     
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  9. DT’s Socks

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    We need all the skills the outside world gives us. You are 100% right the markets rely on free movement of labour.

    They are more skilled and have a work ethic our generations have never known

    Good luck with the training after Brexit

    Families feeding themselves from where?
    We have never had it so cheap ever in our history and we are used to it

    After Brexit or following a No Deal there will be massive civil unrest at the first shortage of anything. If the supply is kept open then no problems people will not care and I fully expect Brexiteers to crow immediately with told you so etc

    It’s on a knife edge imo the damm lot

    Hence why myself the hypocrite has taken measures. You have to be total **** to know other ****s really are
     
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    I fear they did not
    I hope they did not
     
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  11. bc7

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    I was voting in a once in a generation referendum. The government position as stated in the famous information leaflet was “This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide”
    Pretty straightforward statement!
    The question we were asked was “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

    The leaflet told us in no uncertain terms the consequences of leaving.

    It is, therefore, highly likely that people knew what they were voting for.
     
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    How many voted for a no-deal Brexit, would you say?
     
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    What did the leaflet say were the consequences of leaving?
     
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    The leaflet told us all the consequences
     
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    Did you not read it before you voted?
     
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    I'd never seen this before either.

    Voting to leave the EU would create years of uncertainty and potential economic disruption. This would reduce investment and cost jobs. The Government judges it could result in 10 years or more of uncertainty as the UK unpicks our relationship with the EU and renegotiates new arrangements with the EU and over 50 other countries around the world. Some argue that we could strike a good deal quickly with the EU because they want to keep access to our market.

    But the Government’s judgement is that it would be much harder than that – less than 8% of EU exports come to the UK while 44% of UK exports go to the EU. No other country has managed to secure significant access to the Single Market, without having to:

    • follow EU rules over which they have no real say
    • pay into the EU
    • accept EU citizens living and working in their country

    A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the Single Market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy. For example, Canada’s deal with the EU will give limited access for services, it has so far been seven years in the making and is still not in force.


    The other lot said that this was Project Fear and that we should take no notice, leaving would be a breeze.

    Seems to me like the leaflet was right
     
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  19. Goldhawk-Road

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    Strolls, it was patently obvious to all but the mentally impaired, that while a deal with the EU was desirable and probably likely, it could not be relied upon as a guarantee because the UK had no control over another contracting party ie the EU. WTO was the backstop, and that was made clear during the referendum campaign. All the other arrangements talked about, like Norway and Switzerland and Canada, were all subject to EU agreement. Voters knew that. And they knew the UK could not unilaterally deliver it.
     
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  20. bobmid

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    Voters knew very little mate.
     
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