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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Here you go:
    We resign our membership of the EU
    We join the European Economic Area - like Norway, in Single Market but not Customs Union. No fisheries, agriculture policies, no euro stuff, exempt from ‘ever closer union’
    The (pro remain) people of Northern Ireland can have a referendum on whether they want a customs border with Ireland (like the Norway/Sweden border) or to remain in the Customs Union and for all the imaginary customs tech to be used on goods going UK mainland to NI and vice versa. Or our government can chose on their behalf.

    Tolerable for the majority even if not the fanatics at either end of the spectrum. Out of the EU, minimises economic risk, gives us time to ponder, in less febrile times, if we want to move further away in future (subject to debate in elections).
     
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  2. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    No, don't imply something about me and then slime away. You said
    Why did you need to ask that question? Why are you trying to make me out to be something I am not?
     
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  3. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Christ on a bike!!
    This just goes round and round and ****ing round.

    How many times have the same points been made and the same questions asked?
    We end up with all manner of personal insults, attacks and indirect digs from some posters when they are trying to get a rise out of someone without actually naming them (and sometimes by actually naming them).


    What a pile of ****e!!
     
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  4. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Stroller said:
    I'd say that those who actively seek an outcome that is widely acknowledged to be the most damaging to our economic welfare are the real enemy within, Ellers.

    This was aimed at the 'Moggmeister', Ellers - someone you support.
     
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  5. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    We only import 4% of food from the US 27% from the EU. That will change. The US exports Fish/agriculture and forestry products. Same as Australia only 4%. I was told by my dad that before the EU we used to get great cuts of New Zealand lamb. stuff from Oz and fruit South Africa. That all stopped when we joined in the 70's. When we leave we will get that deal going again.
     
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  6. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    All seems perfectly sensible to me.

    As you know, I’m a Brexiteer and would like nothing better than something more radical, but it all really depends upon whether you consider the referendum to have been a “first past the post” event or one that ought to be sympathetic to ‘proportional representation’. Had the outcome been (say) 60/40 or more then there’s a greater argument for a harder Brexit.
     
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  7. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    List ten
    Ok try five
     
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  8. bobmid

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    Worked in the USA so needed a working visa anyway. Generally holiday in the canaries and never needed a visa. Hope I never will as it will add a nice hefty price on to an already expensive holiday
     
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  9. sb_73

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    ? What I spelt out is a compromise. It gets us out of the EU while keeping the foundations of our economy solid for a bit. Doesn’t have to be forever but the poisonous atmosphere we have in this country at the moment needs the heat taking out of it. We have to compromise. (I prefer my food to have travelled the minimum possible distance before I eat it, so welsh lamb for me,and I have had local Warwickshire lamb, beef, pork and chicken since I discovered a new and excellent butcher. We export more lamb than we import and most of what we do import comes from NZ and Aus. They just want to sell us more and undercut UK farmers with frozen stuff).
    Give and take, at the very least to stop us having to talk about it all the time.
     
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    Sweet jesus if that's the best all this ****e is about then it seems even crazier by the minute. What a load of crap. Passport colour and fishing!!! Give me ****ing strenghth
     
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  11. sb_73

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    To be honest I don’t think it will Bob. I’m sure we will have a preferential status like we do with the US and Canada (for visitors) now where you get a two year visa (for about $10) on line, no need to send passports away or anything. If visas are needed at all, we didn’t have them before we joined the Common Market.
     
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  12. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    I’m only talking about it all the time because Col is making me.
     
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  13. DT’s Socks

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    Great I expect there are stocks of goods waiting for us to shop for

    South Africa and Kenya all ready pre pack U.K. supermarket branded veg Ellers
    No time differences as such
    My neighbours son lives in Kenya
    It’s about U.K. airport capacity it’s at its limit
    Staines maybe able to confirm that
     
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  14. ELLERS

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    Agree beef in France is crap. When I go to the limousin they brag about their beef. Too much fat. Give me an Angus steak any day! I keep hearing about the price of food going up but lamb from New Zealand and Oz seems the way to go.
     
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    Exactly it’s the divide that is key here
    As these I know where to come and find you when I rise to office as Witchfinder Pursuivant x
     
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    We don’t need it, we export more than we import and 90% of what we import comes from NZ and Oz, with most of the rest from Ireland.

    Where do you want to import your steak from? More than 85% of our beef exports go to the EU.
     
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  17. ELLERS

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    They will have to build a bigger airport then. Things will change.
    However
    I know lots of planning building manufacturing can take up to 10 years. We sold out many years ago and now we need to get it going again. As we know it won't be the end of the World as it's only 20% with the EU (I believe).
     
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  18. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    No no no Beef is what is it anywhere in the world Told you before they like fat on their meat

    They like goose fat duck fat pork fat lamb fat
    Butter fat fatty faux fat horse fat calf fat bird fat skins tripe fat winkle fat and dollop fat

    Farmers produce food to the demand
    Let’s hope argiculture is backed in the U.K. after Brexit ... there is enough space but a shortage of skills.

    Look at younger people you know could they be farmers ?
     
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    That’s the spirit I am all for reinventing Britain once it has been accepted we are currently a little bit **** at things at the moment
     
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  20. ELLERS

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    We only import 4% from Oz
    actually I have just checked. Of food consumed in the UK only 1% comes from Oz.
     
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