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Controlled immigration is important to people in this county. They have been very tolerant but when whole communities change their nature ( through EU and non-EU immigration) you have to question the scale of that migration (though not the immigrants themselves).
I'm not getting at you personally, but appear to live a cosmopolitan existence, working in London and then driving your Porsche to your house in France. I think that's a fantastic lifestyle but aren't you in danger of being criticised for being Allright Jack, by people whose towns are filled with recent immigrants meaning that public services are immensely difficult. Get out of your Porsche and put yourself in their shoes!
You're right, there will be supply problems with WTO. It has to be managed, and the EU will accede to that because their citizens on the north coast of France, the Benelux countries will suffer otherwise.
He's a decent man whose moral compass is in exactly the right place. I thought he was fantastic chasing that dirty money-grabber Phillip Green
They brand them up and sell them with other names of course in Europe
Of course they will try and sell them to us
However they could possibly be all be made in Holland and France in the future to fulfil employment targets
That’s the trend I am trying really hard to get over to you Ellers
Manufacturing of many things will be easier to produce in Europe because of the supply chains of raw materials we can’t import wheat from China mate it doesn’t last the journey ... we buy it from the EU
Why ship it to the U.K. when a finished biscuit product can be sold to the market in the U.K. for double the price and more profit
The pound could fail so why not do all your manufacturing in Europe in a free movement zone using the Euro with better employment catchment .... leaving us on an over populated island that makes very little and has the highest rate of personal debt in the world
Tesco are not going to take the hit that will be passed on to the consumer
Think about this principle not just biscuits
Looks a bit of a project to reinvent the U.K.
it’s very fearful
That's funny. I say the same thing. Who could possibly benefit from destroying my country?
You have not told me who will buy the biscuits, if we don't? Think about the logic.
I certainly can not afford to drive my car to France plus they don’t have the right petrol
That’s just for here so I can get from A2B in London
Yes there are many towns that have been more affected by a over population of immigrants that is a severe problem for the Anglo Saxon and yes that has to be controlled .... not by leaving Europe however as that figure on immigration is nowhere near the amount of peoples coming in from countries outside of Europe
The people of Northern France and Northern Europe in general have had it a lot worse than a few Anglo Saxon settlements in the U.K. that is factual and 100% correct
They stopped it from getting worse
We have no divide right as humans to insist we have rights to the ground where we were born. Not Anglo Saxons who have raped the world ... the pigeons have come home to roost imo
I pay taxes in two countries and am proud of my achievements from nothing
No luck where I am concerned Just hard work and good design to life England gave me that hence why I still care
Apologies we will it’s an existing market
We are the consumer
What are you going to buy them with?
What will the new price be?
Who controls the market supply
Who controls the market it’s not the consumer
Who works for them it won’t be us we can’t move freely enough to be employed
[/QUOTE]="TheBigDipper, post: 11998201, member: 1008342"]That's funny. I say the same thing. Who could possibly benefit from destroying my country?[/QUOTE]
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You can smell it a mile away: the odorous whiff of the hypocrisies and deceptions that tend to come with privilege, and the sense of Brexit as yet another chapter of the class war. In the midst of the summer’s confusion and conflict, it is time it was understood as such, and the real story of the last three or four years was told: of a cadre of moneyed wreckers cynically manipulating a mess of resentments that their own politics triggered back in the 1980s, cheating their way to victory, and then attempting to bring their revolution full circle by treating millions of people like so much cannon fodder.
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Do you really think the people you mention have the power and influence to force us to stay in the EU? The Islington Labour lot haven’t had a sniff of power since 2010 and don’t even control their own party.
Not the response I was expecting, to be honest, but I’m not sure what I was expecting either.
Regarding the stockpiling of drugs issue, I heard that as well it was the one fact Bernard Jenkin could remember (did you know every Richard Curtis script has a character called Bernard in his honour? Apparently they are mates, in an Islington meets Uranus kind of way). Of course it will hit both ways, there will be delays on traffic going into the EU and from the EU. Not good for anyone. We can avoid it by having a workable solution for the Irish border, finalising the exit agreement, and working on future trade once we have left the EU, during the transition period. Then if we want to we can have a managed transition to WTO rules, or negotiate a Canada/Japan type deal.
May muddling up the exit agreement with the future trading relationship, especially when she didn’t have consensus in her own cabinet on what the future trading agreement should be from a UK perspective, is what has left us in this situation. Admittedly the EU Commission hasn’t been spectacularly helpful in suggesting useful compromises around Ireland, but then they have been waiting for over two years for the UK to make its position relatively clear.
So if the biscuits are expensive people won't buy them.
That means less biscuits needed.
less profits for biscuit manufacturer
less work
Lay off staff
People get p'd blaming government.
vote out government
New party....
That's happened before.
As for your comment on wheat, are you saying once a biscuit is made and packaged It would not last a trip from say the US?
You've done well, through hard work and talent, and I don't dispute that. I recognise also that that the French people around Calais have had a hell of a time with illegal immigrants and the French authorities don't seem to want to enforce the law and deport anyone. That's a matter for them and I respect their approach, even if I don't agree with it.
Immigration has to be controlled, whether from the EU (mostly Eastern Europe) or outside the EU. We'd be building up problems for ourselves otherwise. As it is, the integration in the UK is considered much more advanced than it is in France say. We don't have ghettos. What I read about Paris is that they do. If an immigrant comes into this country, every step has to be taken to integrate them - doesn't mean they lose their culture. But they need to speak English, understand our culture, obey our laws etc You cannot ensure that with uncontrolled immigration.
The UK has taken a lot of immigrants over the last 50 years. The rate needs to be tempered imo. I think you will find that if you look at the populace worldwide, most people do want to stay around where they are born and where there family is. Outsiders can be welcomed in, sure, but if the character of a place changes completely - have a look at Lincolnshire, towns like Boston - then there will be unrest and it's justified imo.
Sorry that you don't like the statistic, but it's factual and neither of us knows what those 74% want in their Brexit package. We don't even know what the 26% (the 52% who voted Leave) actually wanted in their Brexit package, either. We could, of course, ask everyone, but you don't want to do that, do you? I wouldn't mind one, but I'm not expecting it to happen.
Maybe you're right, and the country has a big enough economy to manage under WTO rules. Ordinary people will not care about the economy being strong if they do not see personal benefits from it. Most ordinary people are risk-averse when it comes to them and their families. Wealthy people can afford to mitigate against that risk. Ordinary people cannot.
I can deal with a Brexit that can demonstrate it will be good for us. I can cope with a Brexit that does not immediately make ordinary people less well off through a worse exchange rate, higher prices, lower wages and poorer public services. I find it hard when the evidence says that those things are exactly what will happen and they can explain why. I find it hard when the people asking for a "no deal" Brexit can only offer platitudes, no evidence why they are right and just ask for faith. I don't have any, sorry.
The people I mentioned all have a vote in Parliament. They're powerful even if they're not in government. Mandelson's another one, who says that all Brexit voters are racist. Arrogant elite and he has a fat pension from the EU coming.
Agree it's taken the UK a long time to put forward proposals, but we should not finalise an exit agreement and pay money, until the trade agreement going forward is finalised. One the EU have their money, they'll lose interest like a cowboy builder! Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Has to be.
My life and circumstances are not important I am sorted so are my sons we have options
I still care for those who may not
We certainly do have ghettos we prefer not to recognise them.
I agree the UK is overcrowded 100%
Boston is a great example of what happens when things are unchecked I agree
Now I consider myself to have talents in marketing and packaging
I have just noticed that my Ham Cheese and Pickle M&S sandwich has responsive labelling on it something I do from time to time
Today the word Wiltshire and English are not there this is because they cannot sell it to me if the raw ingredients are sourced from other place other than Wiltshire or England. If anyone on here seriously thinks that we produce enough Farmhouse Cheese or ham from Wiltshire then they need to wake up
The pickle is a minefield where that comes from ... the lettuce will be from the EU Imo
The market for the sandwich (for Ellers) will be the same tomorrow I am guessing and the price will be the same
After a no deal then M&S will have a rethink on product lines ... equate that to almost everything
Its a news story I know but at least I have the open mind to quickly search the possible effects going the other one in support of our export market
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Come on Goldie, a bunch of old has beens who are noisy but have no real influence anymore and haven’t for ages. I would have thought that the real elite were successful people in business, shareholders, the owners of the country’s wealth, probably Tory voters in general, who are very keen that the golden goose keeps on laying. Of course they are also the people who have personally least to lose from Brexit, already armour plated against it, and a very small minority of them, the extreme free marketers, are pro Brexit. On this definition I am excluded from the elite, which is a shame.
Why would the EU lose interest, you and Ellers have spent a lot of time on this thread saying that EU businesses are dependent on trade with us, why would their governments want to make it more difficult? I will agree that we don’t have many bargaining chips once what we owe, citizens rights and the Irish border are sorted, but if we regard the EU as just another third party trade partner and nothing more, then surely the priority should be on getting out in a managed way and then dealing with the EU just as we would the US or New Zealand?
These bunch of has-beens are in power. The House of Lords has power, not so much as the Commons but more than a Tory voter in the shires or a businessman or a shareholder. If you're an MP or a Lord, you are elite. Can't we agree on that Stan?
Brussels do not want the UK to be a success. They are terrified that we will be, because Italy will follow. When you strip everything down that's what it comes down to. These are hostile negotiations. I remember once saying to you it's like a high court action but on a grander scale. The UK cannot count on the goodwill of the people in Brussels, because there is none - member countries differ, but if they all hide behind Brussels then the result is a very negative atmosphere.
The government need to tell us more about the realities of an exit onto WTO rules. I predict they will once October has come and gone, and the Chequers deal has been shot down finally by Monsieur Barnier. Then, May either has to be man (or female) managed, or she has to go, so someone who believes in UK independence can take us through the next six months.